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Some proper “bewtys” on the streets of London today !
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Some proper “bewtys” on the streets of London today !
Why am I not surprised, wonder if Chris Rea will be happy being dragged into it though?
Ha ha..... And I thought I was so smart posting a picture!!Originally Posted by splott parker
Oh for fecks sake
I remember the day of the referendum, I had gone down my mothers for supper. We had both voted Leave and surprised the vote had won, the first thing she said to me, was 'it will never happen the establishment didn't want it and will find a way of dragging it out and stopping it'
What time do you eat supper?
About 6:30
The establishment want it, murdoch, darce, gove, Johnson, raab, goldsmith, Francois, mogg, putin, trump, Pearce etc etc all want it.
The whole the establishment don’t want it is the worst argument you can have.
Okay.. the politicians never wanted it
He's listed the American and Russian presidents, the former Foreign Secretary, former Secretary for Exiting the European Union, a former candidate for the Mayor of London (as well as a former Mayor of London) and a former minister in numerous departments
On a technical level, if the Tories and DUP could come up with a Brexit plan they agreed on, there's nothing anyone else could do about it.
They are politicians mate.
Bloody hell let me try one more time, the point I am trying to make is that the vast majority of elected MP's are remain voters, while the majority of the electorate voted Leave. Therefore It was clear from day one, that parliament had no will to push through a brexit.
in summary it was easy to predict this outcome 2 years ago.
This! and the porn ban?....looks like i'll emigrate to sweden...opps ..i already did that
The vast majority are remain are they? Then yesterday how did the revoke vote lose by quite a way?
194 voted to revoke (that means no Brexit)
283 voted not to revoke (that means Brexit)
Yes I believe the vast majority voted Remain, here I found the stats.
480 MPs said they would be voting Remain, including 184 Conservatives
:: 159 MPs said they would be voting Leave, including 139 Conservatives
:: 11 MPs were undeclared, including four Conservatives
This gives Remain a notional Commons majority of at least 310.
Yes mate that was before the ref but they had a chance to vote remain yesterday and they didn’t.
The reason brexit hasn’t happened is because due to poor negotiation and reality the brexit offered to the country is impossible and we’ll all be poorer if May’s deal or no deal goes through.
And the “Elites” and people in charge want brexit and are whipping their MPs to vote for it.
I believe that no matter who the PM was, which party they were from or any form of deal, would have been accepted at this point,
If we simulated the negotiations a million times with a million different scenarios I still can not see a deal that would be accepted, without it not delivering on Brexit.
That’s because what they promised is impossible and any form of Brexit will **** the county.
Unfortunately the a lot damage has already been done anyway, and we will still probably leave next month.
Can I ask what is the win-win scenario?
- The leave side can clearly see no form of a 'real' brexit can pass a vote in the commons
- The remain side Accept we will honour the vote and leave the EU, but will not vote for a 'real' brexit
genuine questions is there a compromise to be made, that can get passed?,
or is this turning into a war of attrition is one side going to have to win and another loose?
Well if they can't come up with something by 2 weeks today then in all likelihood we'll crash out with no deal
Or revoke Article 50, do we really want the current feckwits in westminster steering the ship. there are no wins with brexit but some serious losses. job losses, inflation, recession to name 3!
There will never be a compromise, not in the house, or even among leave voters. I have no-deal supporting friends who would never back having any deal and friends who support having a good deal who are dead against no-deal.
And then there are some who simply say ‘leave means leave’ and don’t really seem to appreciate the difference between deal or no deal and just want out. They’re the ones I worry about.
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