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    We had a point to battle for despite several bad decisions. We failed to deal with a fairly simple cross into the box and conceded a second.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue lewj View Post
    We had a point to battle for despite several bad decisions. We failed to deal with a fairly simple cross into the box and conceded a second.
    Apparently the lino's line of vision was blocked so he couldn't see the player in the offside position (according to Radio 5) shit happens. I agree with you, we didn't deal with the cross. I can't believe that some people think it's part of some kind of Premier league conspiracy to relegate us, absolute madness. We were on the end of a poor decision today, that's the way it goes. Make no mistake, the players will be pissed off as much about the defending for the goal as the poor decision, add Warnock to that. When we went 1-0 up we continued to press a bit and force Chelsea into mistakes. We then backed off in order to defend our lead and Chelsea started to lay on the pressure, we can't play like that, it's failed on every occasion this season. I think that Zohore should've come on a fair bit earlier, I reckon that he would've caused the Chelsea backline a fair few problems with his pace, there was alot of space between them and the Chelsea midfield and for a period we were winning the second balls in midfield, Niasse doesn't have that ability to roll a defender or possess that turn of pace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    Apparently the lino's line of vision was blocked so he couldn't see the player in the offside position (according to Radio 5) shit happens. I agree with you, we didn't deal with the cross. I can't believe that some people think it's part of some kind of Premier league conspiracy to relegate us, absolute madness. We were on the end of a poor decision today, that's the way it goes. Make no mistake, the players will be pissed off as much about the defending for the goal as the poor decision, add Warnock to that. When we went 1-0 up we continued to press a bit and force Chelsea into mistakes. We then backed off in order to defend our lead and Chelsea started to lay on the pressure, we can't play like that, it's failed on every occasion this season. I think that Zohore should've come on a fair bit earlier, I reckon that he would've caused the Chelsea backline a fair few problems with his pace, there was alot of space between them and the Chelsea midfield and for a period we were winning the second balls in midfield, Niasse doesn't have that ability to roll a defender or possess that turn of pace.
    Zahore definitely should have come on.

  4. #4

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    Apparently the lino's line of vision was blocked so he couldn't see the player in the offside position (according to Radio 5) shit happens. I agree with you, we didn't deal with the cross. I can't believe that some people think it's part of some kind of Premier league conspiracy to relegate us, absolute madness. We were on the end of a poor decision today, that's the way it goes. Make no mistake, the players will be pissed off as much about the defending for the goal as the poor decision, add Warnock to that. When we went 1-0 up we continued to press a bit and force Chelsea into mistakes. We then backed off in order to defend our lead and Chelsea started to lay on the pressure, we can't play like that, it's failed on every occasion this season. I think that Zohore should've come on a fair bit earlier, I reckon that he would've caused the Chelsea backline a fair few problems with his pace, there was alot of space between them and the Chelsea midfield and for a period we were winning the second balls in midfield, Niasse doesn't have that ability to roll a defender or possess that turn of pace.
    Azpilicueta was so offside when the corner was taken that it was almost possible for some City players who could see him to subconsciously relax as they waited for the inevitable flag to be raised. If you're a linesman with enough experience of doing the job to make it to Premier League level, you will have seen thousands of corners being taken and you make sure that you are in a position to perform the only task you have at that time as accurately as possible - if I volunteered to run the line at the next Blaenrhondda match I go to and was unable to decide whether someone was offside or not because a corner taker was in my way, I'd feel I was not doing the job properly, for someone doing the job in the Premier League to come up with that excuse is pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue lewj View Post
    Chelsea were putting pressure on anyway.

    Can you explain how an offside decision impacts on not being able to cut out a cross or beat Loftus-Cheek to the ball for the header?
    Butterfly effect.
    We would’ve gone down the other end and put one in the top corner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pearcey3 View Post
    It’s gross incompetence. It will cost Catdiff big time. Win that game and it’s on for survival but to lose due to useless officiating isn’t on.
    I dont believe they cheated because the tv cameras were there and they would be putting their careers on the line. None of those involved should be reffing at this level again.
    Im not sure. Maybe more sub conscious than conscious but the ref would have known by giving the big decisions to chelsea he would avoid attention.

    Sky thought it was funny.

    BBC 5 live called us brave and and unfortunate cardiff and joked about hearing from neil warnock later.

    Nobody would call it as it was- just imagine the fuss if a ref gave decisions to smaller teams! Couldn't imagine it. The ref today knew that and reffed accordingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father Dougal View Post
    Im not sure. Maybe more sub conscious than conscious but the ref would have known by giving the big decisions to chelsea he would avoid attention.

    Sky thought it was funny.

    BBC 5 live called us brave and and unfortunate cardiff and joked about hearing from neil warnock later.

    Nobody would call it as it was- just imagine the fuss if a ref gave decisions to smaller teams! Couldn't imagine it. The ref today knew that and reffed accordingly.
    It was different to say the ref v Watford who missed that obvious pen. He was just a bad ref for both sides. I've no bad feeling to that ref.

    Today felt different- not just the big decisions either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father Dougal View Post
    Im not sure. Maybe more sub conscious than conscious but the ref would have known by giving the big decisions to chelsea he would avoid attention.

    Sky thought it was funny.

    BBC 5 live called us brave and and unfortunate cardiff and joked about hearing from neil warnock later.

    Nobody would call it as it was- just imagine the fuss if a ref gave decisions to smaller teams! Couldn't imagine it. The ref today knew that and reffed accordingly.
    Both Sky and Talkshite are only interested in the top 6 clubs. Everybody else are bit part players just there for the big boys to beat. You were done by 2 top 6 decisions today. The lesser clubs never get those decisions. “The bigger clubs get the big decisions” says the pundit on MoTD2. What a disgraceful state of affairs.

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    just watched MOTD, has the game got such a slant to it now that even MOTD can see it and all agreed it is happening, what the hell has happened to the game ? ? ?

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    Robbed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bob Banker Spanker View Post
    Butterfly effect.
    We would’ve gone down the other end and put one in the top corner.
    We didn't.

    City had a point within grasp after the offside goal but lost that due to bad defending. If we defend that and see the game out then we get a point. We failed to do that.

  12. #12

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    Why did we wait until the 80th minute to bring on fresh legs?

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    I feel sick

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    Quote Originally Posted by City123 View Post
    Because a completely different set of actions would have taken place?
    You could argue that for every decision really though couldn't you.

    We had a point, didn't defend a cross and lost that point. It really is that simple.

    The decisions were shocking but so was getting out muscled and the bad defending for the Chelsea second.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue lewj View Post
    You could argue that for every decision really though couldn't you.

    We had a point, didn't defend a cross and lost that point. It really is that simple.


    The decisions were shocking but so was getting out muscled and the bad defending for the Chelsea second.
    We had three points and got cheated

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue lewj View Post
    You could argue that for every decision really though couldn't you.

    We had a point, didn't defend a cross and lost that point. It really is that simple.

    The decisions were shocking but so was getting out muscled and the bad defending for the Chelsea second.
    Rudiger should have seen red. Cardiff had two strong penalty appeals turned away. The equaliser was as bad as I have seen from a professional referee. At what point do you want to accept that Cardiff were totally and utterly robbed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pearcey3 View Post
    Rudiger should have seen red. Cardiff had two strong penalty appeals turned away. The equaliser was as bad as I have seen from a professional referee. At what point do you want to accept that Cardiff were totally and utterly robbed?
    The referee couldn't possibly have seen the offside from his position.

    As for Rudiger seeing red, I thought so initially but the angle from behind the goal suggested the keeper was always going to get the ball and Zohore wasn't as near to it as it first seemed. It also looked the collision between the two players was accidental. Debatable I suppose, but not a red card for me, although that was my original verdict.

    City were definitely hard done by today, no doubt about it. However, I don't for one minute think the officials make these mistakes deliberately. By allegedly favouring Chelsea, they would also be working against the likes of Arsenal, Spurs and Man Utd. It's not a conspiracy, it's just human error.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    The referee couldn't possibly have seen the offside from his position.

    As for Rudiger seeing red, I thought so initially but the angle from behind the goal suggested the keeper was always going to get the ball and Zohore wasn't as near to it as it first seemed. It also looked the collision between the two players was accidental. Debatable I suppose, but not a red card for me, although that was my original verdict.

    City were definitely hard done by today, no doubt about it. However, I don't for one minute think the officials make these mistakes deliberately. By allegedly favouring Chelsea, they would also be working against the likes of Arsenal, Spurs and Man Utd. It's not a conspiracy, it's just human error.
    Fair post and agreed about this being more about incompetence than cheating but coming so soon after the decisions against Swansea v Man City I do feel there is an inbuilt but maybe unconscious bias towards bigger clubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pearcey3 View Post
    Fair post and agreed about this being more about incompetence than cheating but coming so soon after the decisions against Swansea v Man City I do feel there is an inbuilt but maybe unconscious bias towards bigger clubs.
    The situation with top-flight football these days is that replays are available to club staff and managers instantly, so they know immediately when they've been wronged. In the case of the offside goal, none of the City players nearby appealed. They didn't seem aware of the situation at all. I'm pretty Warnock wouldn't have known either if there weren't TV monitors nearby.

    This sort of thing must happen in minor leagues all the time, but nobody ever knows about it or gets upset by it because there are no TV cameras showing various angles immediately after the incident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    The referee couldn't possibly have seen the offside from his position.

    As for Rudiger seeing red, I thought so initially but the angle from behind the goal suggested the keeper was always going to get the ball and Zohore wasn't as near to it as it first seemed. It also looked the collision between the two players was accidental. Debatable I suppose, but not a red card for me, although that was my original verdict.

    City were definitely hard done by today, no doubt about it. However, I don't for one minute think the officials make these mistakes deliberately. By allegedly favouring Chelsea, they would also be working against the likes of Arsenal, Spurs and Man Utd. It's not a conspiracy, it's just human error.
    I'll tell you what I think. Officials are impartial - at least they'd claim they are, but when you're trotting over to a Chelsea or Liverpool player thinking whether or not you are going to give him red or yellow, I'm certain there's a bit of their thinking that they'd rather have a shitty club like Cardiff have their manager slagging him off as opposed to Klopp etc, and hours upon hours of Sky/BT analysis drawing attention to their 'mistake'. Cheats ? No, but do they favour the big clubs ? Yes..

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    I'll tell you what I think. Officials are impartial - at least they'd claim they are, but when you're trotting over to a Chelsea or Liverpool player thinking whether or not you are going to give him red or yellow, I'm certain there's a bit of their thinking that they'd rather have a shitty club like Cardiff have their manager slagging him off as opposed to Klopp etc, and hours upon hours of Sky/BT analysis drawing attention to their 'mistake'. Cheats ? No, but do they favour the big clubs ? Yes..

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    It’s hard enough when you’re battling very good teams for points to avoid relegation, but when you have to play against the officials as well... makes it almost impossible to win these games

    Disgraceful

  23. #23

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    If the teams were reversed Chelsea would have had two penalties, a Cardiff defender would have been sent off (Rudiger incident) and the goal would have been ruled offside. Nobody could convince me differently.

  24. #24

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father Dougal View Post
    When you see a set of officials refusing to disallow blatant offside goals or implement the laws of the game that is just not on.
    City were very unfortunate with the goal. No doubt about that. Azpilicueta clearly came back from an offside position. If VAR was in the use, the goal would certainly have been ruled out. However, the same is true of Sol Bamba's 90th minute winner against Brighton back in November. That one wasn't so blatant, but VAR would have ruled it out all the same.

    A couple of quick points about the Chelsea equaliser: Sky's replays eventually showed that Willian was blocking the lineman's view at the point that the ball was flicked on, and only one City player appealed - none of those near Azpilicueta did. The game is so fast that these sort of mistakes crop up on a regular basis and they always have. It's human error, not some big conspiracy against the Bluebirds. Indeed, today's decision could have a huge impact at the top of the table come the end of the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    City were very unfortunate with the goal. No doubt about that. Azpilicueta clearly came back from an offside position. If VAR was in the use, the goal would certainly have been ruled out. However, the same is true of Sol Bamba's 90th minute winner against Brighton back in November. That one wasn't so blatant, but VAR would have ruled it out all the same.

    A couple of quick points about the Chelsea equaliser: Sky's replays eventually showed that Willian was blocking the lineman's view at the point that the ball was flicked on, and only one City player appealed - none of those near Azpilicueta did. The game is so fast that these sort of mistakes crop up on a regular basis and they always have. It's human error, not some big conspiracy against the Bluebirds. Indeed, today's decision could have a huge impact at the top of the table come the end of the season.
    I doubt it will have much impact.

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