Slagging Out Buying Success

[splott parker]

I s’pose we’re all guilty of having a go a clubs who chuck ridiculous money around in the quest for success. Got me thinking about us, I wonder if the fans of clubs such as Exeter, Torquay, Scunthorpe, Colchester etc, clubs who we rubbed shoulders with for bloody years look at us with contempt? The Hammam days were outrageous really, Peter Thorne, Graham Kavanagh, Andy Campbell etc were bought for fees that our contemporaries at that time could only dream of. That era more or less kick started our climb that’s included Premier League football, Cup Finals, things I never thought I’d see in my lifetime. Crowds going from 3,000 to 30,000 in a relatively short time scale, I s’pose we have bought success.......roll on the Champions League I say.

[insider]

Hammam and his loans were way before ffp rules were introduced.
My bugbear with the astronomical amounts of money pumped in at the top table is it is no way self financed.
Take away the arab owners at Man City and do you think they would have the squad they have ?

[splott parker]

Hammam and his loans were way before ffp rules were introduced.
My bugbear with the astronomical amounts of money pumped in at the top table is it is no way self financed.
Take away the arab owners at Man City and do you think they would have the squad they have ?

Who do you think we’d have without Vincent Tan?

[The Bob Banker Spanker]

Who do you think we’d have without Vincent Tan?

Aaron Wildig and Ben Nugent

[insider]

Who do you think we’d have without Vincent Tan?

We've be affected by ffp
How many top 6 have ?

[life on mars]

Aaron Wildig and Ben Nugent

Eddie Johnson

[MacAdder]

I s’pose we’re all guilty of having a go a clubs who chuck ridiculous money around in the quest for success. Got me thinking about us, I wonder if the fans of clubs such as Exeter, Torquay, Scunthorpe, Colchester etc, clubs who we rubbed shoulders with for bloody years look at us with contempt? The Hammam days were outrageous really, Peter Thorne, Graham Kavanagh, Andy Campbell etc were bought for fees that our contemporaries at that time could only dream of. That era more or less kick started our climb that’s included Premier League football, Cup Finals, things I never thought I’d see in my lifetime. Crowds going from 3,000 to 30,000 in a relatively short time scale, I s’pose we have bought success.......roll on the Champions League I say.

Good post, the content of which is something I've thought of in the past and we should bear in mind in these times of "toil and trouble".

Man Citeh fans will soon be moaning about some trivial little thing that sees them miss out on the treble (or is it quadruple?). However much you have you still want more!
The astronomical sums of money being ploughed into football has seen a team, very lucky not to have been in the fourth tier not two decades ago, on the brink of something that only the likes of the mighty Real Madrid could dare dream about.
That said, the top teams of bygone days that have the edge over their rivals have usually paid good money for the privilege.

We have tried a different model to the spend spend spend one unfortunately without (yet) success, thanks in no small part to some dodgy officiating (that's being kind)
It seems like you have to spend big in order to get the big decisions and win the big trophies.

Is anyone ever really happy?

[Cardiff-Cal]

I’ve been thinking similar recently. Like how we spent £1.7m on Peter Thorne in 2001 was it?

From what I can see online it’s still the fourth highest fee at that level.
Pretty sure that was the record untill 2013 (£1.71m Assambolonga to Peterborough)

Then

2014 - John Brayford - £2.07m to Sheff Utd

And the current record

2019 Will Grigg 🔥 £4m to Sunderland

So yeah when you add up all the other transfers we made at that time we were the Chelsea/Man City of Division 2 (as it was then)
Probably hated by everyone...

By far the most fun I’ve had watching city though!

[Optimistic Nick]

I s’pose we’re all guilty of having a go a clubs who chuck ridiculous money around in the quest for success. Got me thinking about us, I wonder if the fans of clubs such as Exeter, Torquay, Scunthorpe, Colchester etc, clubs who we rubbed shoulders with for bloody years look at us with contempt? The Hammam days were outrageous really, Peter Thorne, Graham Kavanagh, Andy Campbell etc were bought for fees that our contemporaries at that time could only dream of. That era more or less kick started our climb that’s included Premier League football, Cup Finals, things I never thought I’d see in my lifetime. Crowds going from 3,000 to 30,000 in a relatively short time scale, I s’pose we have bought success.......roll on the Champions League I say.

They may well think that. But frankly I couldn't give a shit about what fans of Exeter, Torquay, Colcheseter think of us. Nor do I give a shit about what fans of Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea think of us. Nor, emphatically, do I give a shit about what Chris Sutton thinks about us, or anything else for that matter. And I am equally sure that fans of Man City don't give a shit about what I or any other City fan thinks of their club.

And that is the way it should be.

[Since64]

They may well think that. But frankly I couldn't give a shit about what fans of Exeter, Torquay, Colcheseter think of us. Nor do I give a shit about what fans of Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea think of us. Nor, emphatically, do I give a shit about what Chris Sutton thinks about us, or anything else for that matter. And I am equally sure that fans of Man City don't give a shit about what I or any other City fan thinks of their club.

And that is the way it should be.

:thumbup

[The Lone Gunman]

Who do you think we’d have without Vincent Tan?

Indeed. I don't recall too many City fans complaining about buying success when the club won the Championship following the re-brand. In fact, once things had turned sour for Malky Mackay, many City supporters continually belittled his achievements by claiming most managers could have got promoted with the money he was given to spend.

[Hilts]

Indeed. I don't recall too many City fans complaining about buying success when the club won the Championship following the re-brand. In fact, once things had turned sour for Malky Mackay, many City supporters continually belittled his achievements by claiming most managers could have got promoted with the money he was given to spend.

Or when when Sam was splashing out and putting the clubs future at risk.

At least there was no in crowd of supporters out socialising with Tan.

Malky did a brilliant job. Im not sure but i doubt we were the biggest spenders that season. Regulars Marshall Taylor Hudson Turner Cowie Gunner Helgusson. Hardly big signings.

Id say pound for pound ludicrous prices for Thorne Prior etc were far worse.

[The Lone Gunman]

Malky did a brilliant job.

I've always believed Mackay did a very good job, but plenty claim his football was boring and he couldn't fail in the Championship with the money that was made available to him.

[Hilts]

I've always believed Mackay did a very good job, but plenty claim his football was boring and he couldn't fail in the Championship with the money that was made available to him.

Perhaps those are the same who claim Dave Jones worked on a shoe string budget.

Malky had a reasonable budget and of course Bellamy.

[Bald Barry Bastad]

I s’pose we’re all guilty of having a go a clubs who chuck ridiculous money around in the quest for success. Got me thinking about us, I wonder if the fans of clubs such as Exeter, Torquay, Scunthorpe, Colchester etc, clubs who we rubbed shoulders with for bloody years look at us with contempt? The Hammam days were outrageous really, Peter Thorne, Graham Kavanagh, Andy Campbell etc were bought for fees that our contemporaries at that time could only dream of. That era more or less kick started our climb that’s included Premier League football, Cup Finals, things I never thought I’d see in my lifetime. Crowds going from 3,000 to 30,000 in a relatively short time scale, I s’pose we have bought success.......roll on the Champions League I say.

Excellent post. Never thought of it that way. Without the Haman era there's a very good chance we would still be down there.

[The Lone Gunman]

Excellent post. Never thought of it that way. Without the Haman era there's a very good chance we would still be down there.

There's an equal chance that the club would be in a better position than it is now if Hammam hadn't intervened and the same is true for Tan's ownership. Some believe that without him there would be no Cardiff City. Others believe without him the club would be in the third or fourth tier. The truth is nobody knows where the club would be. It could be in the same position as Wolves, Watford or Bournemouth for all we know. All we can do is speculate.

[Eric Cartman]

Indeed. I don't recall too many City fans complaining about buying success when the club won the Championship following the re-brand. In fact, once things had turned sour for Malky Mackay, many City supporters continually belittled his achievements by claiming most managers could have got promoted with the money he was given to spend.

Our total spend that season was less than a decent championship striker goes for these days. Prices have climbed astronomically.

[City123]

Indeed. I don't recall too many City fans complaining about buying success when the club won the Championship following the re-brand. In fact, once things had turned sour for Malky Mackay, many City supporters continually belittled his achievements by claiming most managers could have got promoted with the money he was given to spend.

Its funny how things have changed, we "bought the league" by spending £10m that season. Now that would barely get you a proven striker

[The Lone Gunman]

Its funny how things have changed, we "bought the league" by spending £10m that season. Now that would barely get you a proven striker

The way that season is regarded in retrospect by many Cardiff City supporters is baffling to me. I hated what was happening at the club at the time, but nevertheless I thought Mackay had done an excellent job without spending silly money. Sure, he was able to build a decent squad by Championship standards and without Tan's money he would have struggled to bring in the players he did, but he didn't appear to have spent that much. However, the view among many City fans now seems to be that promotion was inevitable given the resources he had available to him.

One thing's for sure, though - nobody who was supporting the club in 2012/13 was complaining about football club owners spending money the club hadn't earned back then.

[Swiss Peter]

we spent £1.7m on Peter Thorne in 2001.

Worth every penny though .

You're right. It was fun back then, although I suppose there were always niggling concerns about where the money was coming from and if the investment was sustainable. That's the lot of a football fan though.

[City123]

The way that season is regarded in retrospect by many Cardiff City supporters is baffling to me. I hated what was happening at the club at the time, but nevertheless I thought Mackay had done an excellent job without spending silly money. Sure, he was able to build a decent squad by Championship standards and without Tan's money he would have struggled to bring in the players he did, but he didn't appear to have spent that much. However, the view among many City fans now seems to be that promotion was inevitable given the resources he had available to him.

One thing's for sure, though - nobody who was supporting the club in 2012/13 was complaining about football club owners spending money the club hadn't earned back then.

Its just revisionism by people following the whole Corenlius saga

We never spent that much and it was a good example of spending money in the right areas, it wasn't the scatter gun approach that many have taken in the Championship, including ourselves

[xsnaggle]

There's an equal chance that the club would be in a better position than it is now if Hammam hadn't intervened and the same is true for Tan's ownership. Some believe that without him there would be no Cardiff City. Others believe without him the club would be in the third or fourth tier. The truth is nobody knows where the club would be. It could be in the same position as Wolves, Watford or Bournemouth for all we know. All we can do is speculate.

I agree with that completely.
It is akin to people saying the off side goal by Chelsea didn't matter because the scored another one anyway. In fact it changed the game so we will again never know what might or might not have been.

[goats]

There's an equal chance that the club would be in a better position than it is now if Hammam hadn't intervened and the same is true for Tan's ownership. Some believe that without him there would be no Cardiff City. Others believe without him the club would be in the third or fourth tier. The truth is nobody knows where the club would be. It could be in the same position as Wolves, Watford or Bournemouth for all we know. All we can do is speculate.

You know we were going nowhere before Sam came along though right? We didn’t have a pot to piss in and it was mainly Steve b that kept us afloat....

[Eric the Half a Bee]

I wonder if the fans of clubs such as Exeter, Torquay, Scunthorpe, Colchester etc, clubs who we rubbed shoulders with for bloody years look at us with contempt?

Interesting point. Could it also be that some of their fans would have thought of us as a higher division club punching well below our weight?

[Eric the Half a Bee]

The way that season is regarded in retrospect by many Cardiff City supporters is baffling to me. I hated what was happening at the club at the time, but nevertheless I thought Mackay had done an excellent job without spending silly money. Sure, he was able to build a decent squad by Championship standards and without Tan's money he would have struggled to bring in the players he did, but he didn't appear to have spent that much. However, the view among many City fans now seems to be that promotion was inevitable given the resources he had available to him.

Spot on. I think there was the realisation that the squad from 2011/12 had overachieved in some respects and needed the addition of a bit more quality to make the push for the PL. That's how I've always seen it.