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    Im not sure how feasible they are but theyíre good aims.

  2. #92

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    Quote Originally Posted by severncity View Post
    The UK has made big changes. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-47121399

    Do you agree with all three demands of the Extinction Rebellion group?

    https://rebellion.earth/the-truth/demands/
    We've made changes, arguable whether they're big enough. From that article:

    "Overall, the UK has a target of cutting CO2 emissions 80% by 2050. Ministers are on track to meet their short-term goals, but the advisory Committee on Climate Change (CCC) says they are still short of policies to achieve long-term targets.

    The CCC warns there’s also a big difference between the current UK target of 80% cuts and the increased ambition of virtually 100% cuts that ministers are likely to embrace."

    Demands 1 and 2 seem fair. Not sure what 3 involves.

  3. #93

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    We've made changes, arguable whether they're big enough. From that article:

    "Overall, the UK has a target of cutting CO2 emissions 80% by 2050. Ministers are on track to meet their short-term goals, but the advisory Committee on Climate Change (CCC) says they are still short of policies to achieve long-term targets.

    The CCC warns there’s also a big difference between the current UK target of 80% cuts and the increased ambition of virtually 100% cuts that ministers are likely to embrace."

    Demands 1 and 2 seem fair. Not sure what 3 involves.
    So for Demand 2 - reducing carbon emissions to net zero by 2025 - the UK would have to either cut all carbon emissions or cut some and offset the rest within six years. How will this be achieved? There are no firm, achievable policies being proposed as far as I know.

  4. #94

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    Quote Originally Posted by severncity View Post
    So for Demand 2 - reducing carbon emissions to net zero by 2025 - the UK would have to either cut all carbon emissions or cut some and offset the rest within six years. How will this be achieved? There are no firm, achievable policies being proposed as far as I know.
    Thatís their job not ours isnít it? They must have an idea if theyíre planning on cutting it to 80% by 2050.


    I assume all fossil fuel power stations replaced by nuclear and renewables is a start.

  5. #95

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    That’s their job not ours isn’t it? They must have an idea if they’re planning on cutting it to 80% by 2050.


    I assume all fossil fuel power stations replaced by nuclear and renewables is a start.
    That’s whose job? You’ve lost me there. And reducing something to zero in 6 years sounds a lot less achievable than cutting something to 20% in 31 years.

  6. #96

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    Quote Originally Posted by severncity View Post
    So for Demand 2 - reducing carbon emissions to net zero by 2025 - the UK would have to either cut all carbon emissions or cut some and offset the rest within six years. How will this be achieved? There are no firm, achievable policies being proposed as far as I know.
    You asked if I agreed. The UN said the world needs rapid and unprecedented action, that's what this is.

    How to do it? Don't know, that's the problem but if we're working in that direction, as you say we are, then we need to continue but more quickly. I doubt we will as it's not a vote winner.

  7. #97

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    Quote Originally Posted by severncity View Post
    That’s whose job? You’ve lost me there. And reducing something to zero in 6 years sounds a lot less achievable than cutting something to 20% in 31 years.
    The governments job. Theyíre cutting it by 80% in 31 years. Iím sure it is a lot harder to achieve, does that mean they shouldnít try?

    When a protest has a demand they donít expect them to definitely all be met, but ask for extreme things because itís likely a compromise will be made.

  8. #98

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    The governments job. They’re cutting it by 80% in 31 years. I’m sure it is a lot harder to achieve, does that mean they shouldn’t try?

    When a protest has a demand they don’t expect them to definitely all be met, but ask for extreme things because it’s likely a compromise will be made.
    Ok so you’re as clueless as to how this demand will be met as I am - or the virtue-signalling buffoons who think that getting arrested to save Gaia is cool or productive.

  9. #99

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    Quote Originally Posted by severncity View Post
    Ok so youíre as clueless as to how this demand will be met as I am - or the virtue-signalling buffoons who think that getting arrested to save Gaia is cool or productive.
    I work in alternative energy so not completely clueless but Iím not sure how theyíd get 0% but that doesnít mean itís impossible.

    Im clueless how end homelessness too but that doesnít mean itís impossible or should be ignored.

    It sounds like youíve just decided you donít like the protesters and will take the counter point. I think a lot of how theyíve gone about things is the wrong way but that doesnít mean they donít have a point or arenít championing a worthwhile cause.

    Itís like having a go at the suffragettes for ruining horse racing.

  10. #100

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    Might save having to buy a holiday home in the South of France or Spain, a caravan in Tenby will be just as warm and easier to get too

  11. #101

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    When America stops taking the piss, maybe I will take the Ďenvironmentí a bit more seriously. Until then, Iím not making myself a martyr when we already do quite a lot for whatís currently reasonably practicable

  12. #102

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    Quote Originally Posted by WJ99mobile View Post
    When America stops taking the piss, maybe I will take the Ďenvironmentí a bit more seriously. Until then, Iím not making myself a martyr when we already do quite a lot for whatís currently reasonably practicable
    The schoolchild they are exploiting today is recommending we stop shale gas exploration.
    Err surely that canít be right.
    Did she walk here. No she came by train.
    Ridiculous.

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    By train? I thought she is Swedish.!!

  14. #104

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysAway2 View Post
    The schoolchild they are exploiting today is recommending we stop shale gas exploration.
    Err surely that canít be right.
    Did she walk here. No she came by train.
    Ridiculous.
    I do agree with fracking but wouldnít be happy if it was right next to my house.

    It is the future but they should do it rurally

  15. #105

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysAway2 View Post
    The schoolchild they are exploiting today is recommending we stop shale gas exploration.
    Err surely that can’t be right.
    Did she walk here. No she came by train.
    Ridiculous.
    That is a monumentally poor attempt at making a really stupid point.

  16. #106

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    That is a monumentally poor attempt at making a really stupid point.
    She is a child being exploited by adults.
    What donít you understand.

  17. #107

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    Arenít trains the most environmentally friendly ways to travel long distances?

  18. #108

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    Quote Originally Posted by WJ99mobile View Post
    I do agree with fracking but wouldnít be happy if it was right next to my house.

    It is the future but they should do it rurally
    Why do you think itís the future? Do you not believe all the negative things that come with it?

    Surely the future is nuclear and renewables.

  19. #109

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    Quote Originally Posted by WJ99mobile View Post
    When America stops taking the piss, maybe I will take the ‘environment’ a bit more seriously. Until then, I’m not making myself a martyr when we already do quite a lot for what’s currently reasonably practicable
    Do you have to wait for another country to do something on a local level? What do you think we're doing now that's unreasonable?

  20. #110

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    I work in alternative energy so not completely clueless but Iím not sure how theyíd get 0% but that doesnít mean itís impossible.

    Im clueless how end homelessness too but that doesnít mean itís impossible or should be ignored.

    It sounds like youíve just decided you donít like the protesters and will take the counter point. I think a lot of how theyíve gone about things is the wrong way but that doesnít mean they donít have a point or arenít championing a worthwhile cause.

    Itís like having a go at the suffragettes for ruining horse racing.
    You work in alternative energy, yet don't have anywhere near the answers to their demands.
    Surely, they need to have some ideas as to how to achieve their goals, otherwise they're unrealistic pipe dreams.

    My goal might be to have a villa in the South of France with a yacht. If I have no idea as to how I'm going to achieve that goal, then it's absolute nonsense.

  21. #111

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysAway2 View Post
    She is a child being exploited by adults.
    What don’t you understand.
    Exploited how?

  22. #112

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    Aren’t trains the most environmentally friendly ways to travel long distances?
    No, she should have walked and foraged for berries along the way otherwise her point is invalid. Don't you know how this works?

  23. #113

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDerrida View Post
    You work in alternative energy, yet don't have anywhere near the answers to their demands.
    Surely, they need to have some ideas as to how to achieve their goals, otherwise they're unrealistic pipe dreams.

    My goal might be to have a villa in the South of France with a yacht. If I have no idea as to how I'm going to achieve that goal, then it's absolute nonsense.
    Your analogy is complete shit, other countries have cut down massively. Weíve got elected officials who could plan a huge reduction easily. I donít know because it isnít my ****ing job to lower our emissions by 80%

    At a high level itís easy to say how to do it, itís how you implement it thatís tricky and thatís why we have elected officials. It isnít impossible at all.

  24. #114

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    Your analogy is complete shit, other countries have cut down massively. We’ve got elected officials who could plan a huge reduction easily. I don’t know because it isn’t my ****ing job to lower our emissions by 80%

    At a high level it’s easy to say how to do it, it’s how you implement it that’s tricky and that’s why we have elected officials. It isn’t impossible at all.
    The US has seen the biggest reduction in carbon emissions over the last 20 years, with the UK not far behind. In the EU, carbon emissions are increasing

    http://www.aei.org/publication/chart...-this-century/

  25. #115

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    Quote Originally Posted by WJ99mobile View Post
    When America stops taking the piss, maybe I will take the Ďenvironmentí a bit more seriously. Until then, Iím not making myself a martyr when we already do quite a lot for whatís currently reasonably practicable
    But we're (collectively as the UK) are not doing enough. No point waking up to hear about more aggressive flooding this winter and saying it's America's fault for not doing enough.

  26. #116

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDerrida View Post
    You work in alternative energy, yet don't have anywhere near the answers to their demands.
    Surely, they need to have some ideas as to how to achieve their goals, otherwise they're unrealistic pipe dreams.

    My goal might be to have a villa in the South of France with a yacht. If I have no idea as to how I'm going to achieve that goal, then it's absolute nonsense.
    But you're a damn sight closer to that dream than myself who walks around saying there's no point trying because China is too big to compete with.

  27. #117

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    Your analogy is complete shit, other countries have cut down massively. Weíve got elected officials who could plan a huge reduction easily. I donít know because it isnít my ****ing job to lower our emissions by 80%

    At a high level itís easy to say how to do it, itís how you implement it thatís tricky and thatís why we have elected officials. It isnít impossible at all.
    You don't like my analogy, but your opinion and attitude is shit.

    Someone disagrees with you or has a different opinion to you, you become a typical abusive keyboard warrior. It's quite humorous 🙄😉

    Britain and USA have cut down more than most.
    I wasn't talking about 'just' reducing emissions, but by 80% or to net zero in 5 years is unrealistic and even if we did somehow reduce it as much as that, then as severncity has shown China, Russia and India emit ridiculous amounts.

    It's like someone trying to put out a raging fire with a glass of water.

    We do our bit and feel good about ourselves, while the big players destroy the planet.

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    If we stop cows farting we can win this .

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDerrida View Post
    You don't like my analogy, but your opinion and attitude is shit.

    Someone disagrees with you or has a different opinion to you, you become a typical abusive keyboard warrior. It's quite humorous 

    Britain and USA have cut down more than most.
    I wasn't talking about 'just' reducing emissions, but by 80% or to net zero in 5 years is unrealistic and even if we did somehow reduce it as much as that, then as severncity has shown China, Russia and India emit ridiculous amounts.

    It's like someone trying to put out a raging fire with a glass of water.

    We do our bit and feel good about ourselves, while the big players destroy the planet.
    Reminded me of this..


  30. #120

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    The UKís population is 4% of Chinaís though. So again I donít see why getting the U.K. to improve its carbon emissions is a bad thing.

    Everyone knows China needs to improve but so does every country.
    Chinaís carbon emissions per capita are higher than the UKís and have been for a decade. Chinaís emissions per capita are increasing while ours are falling.

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...C?locations=SE

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