I’d say the main reason the poll tax was scrapped, was the sheer volume of numbers who refused to pay it.Originally Posted by lardy
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I’d say the main reason the poll tax was scrapped, was the sheer volume of numbers who refused to pay it.
well observed and a fact
We've had a 16 year old Swedish woman who has been speaking out in London, Rome and I believe a number of other cities. We've heard of a woman from L.A. travelling over.
If people believe in Globalisation, which personally I don't believe is ultimately a good thing, then ultimately they 'should' by right be able to protest where the worst protagonists are.
It's not as though the pollution from China or Russia or USA or any country doesn't affect the rest of the world.
We all have a duty to try enforce change, but for change to happen, we the consumers have to make compromises in the way we buy, spend, and dispose. We need to change our shopping habits.
Brazil's new president is actively encouraging Amazonian deforestation in the name of economic growth. Why, because of Western gluttony.
Just step back in time and look at how things were 40 to 50 years ago.
There were different forms of pollution from coal, etc...
The number of cars have dramatically increased, the number of trips abroad, the number of flights all around the world massively increased. The use of plastics and polystyrene in all sorts of packaging from multi pack foods that most families throw away to the insatiable consumption of electrical goods, along with the throwaway society that we have become.
We have to play our part and demand the supermarkets reduce ALL packaging to its absolute minimum, food and electrical manufacturers to reduce their packaging, to buy what we need rather than what we see as 'keeping up with the Joneses'.
The mugs who are the paying public, pay their 5 or 10p for carrier bags that advertise the supermarkets, yet with their billion £ profits, they could invest in the technology that would create biodegradable single use bags that they should give for free.
In California, a number of the large stores use recycled strong paper bags, that are then able to be recycled again.
A lot of the rubbish from the utter crap food outlets such as McDonald's is just thrown on the floor or out of consumer's cars, because they're too lazy to walk a few yards to throw in a bin. Their bins could be improved with what they claim to be food waste, plastic and paper/cardboard waste in seperate bins.
The corporates get away with so much and we keep feeding their profits without thought or conscience.
The throwaway of sweatshop bought clothing, because 'we can' afford to do so, yet many who do throw away so much, don't spare a thought for the good causes where that money could be better spent.
We need to empower our Government's to act against these and to enact many other changes for the better of our country and our world.
Everyone knows China et al need to do more for climate change. I don’t know why this is seen as a legitimate argument against those thinking the also U.K. needs to do something.
The UK produces about 1% of global CO2 and that amount is falling quite quickly, year on year
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-47121399
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Even if we in the UK reduce our CO2 emissions to zero it would have a vanishingly minuscule effect on “climate change”.
Therefore these protests are a mix of virtue signalling and pissing in the wind.
The UK’s population is 4% of China’s though. So again I don’t see why getting the U.K. to improve its carbon emissions is a bad thing.
Everyone knows China needs to improve but so does every country.
Why would China bow to anyone elses pressure if those countries aren't making big changes and improvements themselves?
We can't all pass the buck. Climate change, or "climate change", needs everyone mucking in.
The UK has made big changes. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-47121399
Do you agree with all three demands of the Extinction Rebellion group?
https://rebellion.earth/the-truth/demands/
We've made changes, arguable whether they're big enough. From that article:
"Overall, the UK has a target of cutting CO2 emissions 80% by 2050. Ministers are on track to meet their short-term goals, but the advisory Committee on Climate Change (CCC) says they are still short of policies to achieve long-term targets.
The CCC warns there’s also a big difference between the current UK target of 80% cuts and the increased ambition of virtually 100% cuts that ministers are likely to embrace."
Demands 1 and 2 seem fair. Not sure what 3 involves.
So for Demand 2 - reducing carbon emissions to net zero by 2025 - the UK would have to either cut all carbon emissions or cut some and offset the rest within six years. How will this be achieved? There are no firm, achievable policies being proposed as far as I know.
China’s carbon emissions per capita are higher than the UK’s and have been for a decade. China’s emissions per capita are increasing while ours are falling.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...C?locations=SE
Im not sure how feasible they are but they’re good aims.
That’s their job not ours isn’t it? They must have an idea if they’re planning on cutting it to 80% by 2050.
I assume all fossil fuel power stations replaced by nuclear and renewables is a start.
That’s whose job? You’ve lost me there. And reducing something to zero in 6 years sounds a lot less achievable than cutting something to 20% in 31 years.
The governments job. They’re cutting it by 80% in 31 years. I’m sure it is a lot harder to achieve, does that mean they shouldn’t try?
When a protest has a demand they don’t expect them to definitely all be met, but ask for extreme things because it’s likely a compromise will be made.
Ok so you’re as clueless as to how this demand will be met as I am - or the virtue-signalling buffoons who think that getting arrested to save Gaia is cool or productive.
I work in alternative energy so not completely clueless but I’m not sure how they’d get 0% but that doesn’t mean it’s impossible.
Im clueless how end homelessness too but that doesn’t mean it’s impossible or should be ignored.
It sounds like you’ve just decided you don’t like the protesters and will take the counter point. I think a lot of how they’ve gone about things is the wrong way but that doesn’t mean they don’t have a point or aren’t championing a worthwhile cause.
It’s like having a go at the suffragettes for ruining horse racing.
Re: Climate protesting tossers
Might save having to buy a holiday home in the South of France or Spain, a caravan in Tenby will be just as warm and easier to get too
When America stops taking the piss, maybe I will take the ‘environment’ a bit more seriously. Until then, I’m not making myself a martyr when we already do quite a lot for what’s currently reasonably practicable
Do you have to wait for another country to do something on a local level? What do you think we're doing now that's unreasonable?
But we're (collectively as the UK) are not doing enough. No point waking up to hear about more aggressive flooding this winter and saying it's America's fault for not doing enough.
The schoolchild they are exploiting today is recommending we stop shale gas exploration.
Err surely that can’t be right.
Did she walk here. No she came by train.
Ridiculous.
I do agree with fracking but wouldn’t be happy if it was right next to my house.
It is the future but they should do it rurally
That is a monumentally poor attempt at making a really stupid point.
She is a child being exploited by adults.
What don’t you understand.
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