Quite right TOBW. I often think back wistfully to those days when City were in the Fourth Division. I could leave my house in North Cardiff half an hour before ko, drive to Ninian Park with no hold ups, park outside the bus station, get a pastie and a tea, then wander in and choose where I wanted to sit. A proper football day out, not this plastic stuff you're all enthusing about although it may possibly be a better standard these days.