Cardiff City a big club?

[goats]

Not really making any original points here, but I agree that its hard to define what constitutes a big club. The biggest clubs tend to be the most successful, as that's who the plastics gravitate towards. The odd team/area stands out as keeping crowds during the bad times. Sunderland averaged about 31k this season, Newcastle kept crowds during their relegations. The Sheffield teams also seem to keep a large following. Cardiff certainly aren't a 'big club' in the same way as those kind of teams are. But like most teams, with a bit of success I'm sure we'll continue to grow. As for the catchment area argument, that's absolute rubbish. There are numerous other sides within that 'catchment area' for a start. Secondly, many in south Wales seem to just turn up for big events, or choose to be plastics and support utd, arsenal etc.

Wasn’t so long ago Chelsea and Newcastle had crowds of 10,000 odd in the championship as it was. Both established as big now? Are Leicester and saints big? Watford and Burnely?

[The Lone Gunman]

Wasn’t so long ago Chelsea and Newcastle had crowds of 10,000 odd in the championship as it was.

It was a very long time ago. The 1982/83 season in Chelsea's case. 1980/81 in Newcastle's case, although the crowds never got quite as low as 10,000.

[goats]

It was a very long time ago. The 1982/83 season in Chelsea's case. 1980/81 in Newcastle's case, although the crowds never got quite as low as 10,000.

Chelsea in the 80’s were rife with hooligans and yo yo ing back and for too

[Baloo]

Wasn’t so long ago Chelsea and Newcastle had crowds of 10,000 odd in the championship as it was. Both established as big now? Are Leicester and saints big? Watford and Burnely?

Chelsea averaged 12,700 in Div 2 in 82/83, were promoted as Champions the following season and have spent one season at Championship level in the 35 seasons since, during which they were also promoted as Champions.