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Mid-size for me.
I get the impression there are many towns/cities that are much more ‘football towns’ than Cardiff, by which I mean they have a high proportion of locals with a sustained interest in their local club. ‘Er indoors is from the North of England and football feels bigger to me there.
We get bigger crowds than all the rugby clubs put together. Isn’t rugby the 4th most popular sport in the capital. It’s the valley commandos and women mainly that go to six nations isn’t it?Originally Posted by Louth
A big club keeps its fans regardless of league position.
I would say we’re not a big club by any identifier. We could, but never will due to Liverpool and Man Utd
Think Warwick has been reading the blogs and forums.
What were Leeds before Revie , Liverpool before Shankley ,nowhere near Where they are today and that only came with success , this is why I said in a previous post why I was so gutted about being relegated , none of this the championship is a better league with proper football from me , I just wanted us to sustain our position in the league in order for us to grow as a club and become an established premier league side not just a one season wonder again
What were Liverpool before Shankly? Well, the season before he took over in 1959, they were the eighth biggest club in the country in terms of attendances despite being in the Second Division. Indeed, during the two previous seasons they had the fifth highest attendances in the country despite being in the Second Division. If you know your football history, you'll know that Liverpool were a big club before Shankly, and a bigger club after Shankly.
As for Leeds, they really were struggling before Revie and had never been a big club until he worked his magic.
Fair enough about Liverpool but they didn’t win anything til he arrived and with their success they soon became a global name , City had good attendances in the 50s too , but my main point being, after being so long in the doldrums the only way we can grow as a club is with success and for us that would be establishing ourselves in the premier league and maybe do well in the cup competitions , we reached both domestic finals whilst being a championship club so that has to be our aim
In fact, Liverpool were league champions twice in the 1920's and once in the 1940's.
Between 1896 and when Shankly arrived at Liverpool in 1959, there had been just two seasons in which the club had finished outside the top ten in England and Wales in terms of attendances. They've almost always been a big club.
Your points about Cardiff are valid, though.
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The club and its support is completely different from the 80s. Im pretty sure we were getting 5000 crowds last season there in the 80s.
The club is all set up for PL football now.
Love the Championship but the PL should be the aim.
I wonder where this arrogance come from.
Cardiff City. Two seasons of top flight football in 57 years, both ending in relegation. Crowds of 12,000 in the latter stages of a promotion campaign just 12 months ago. One season with an average of 31,000 and suddenly the club is as big as Premier League champions before last Leicester City.
Cardiff City, shirt sponsorship a negligible amount, from a company that exists, but doesn't pay anything. A sponsorship that brings in £1m less a year than Bournemouth, and Leicester. It is £2m less than that small club Burnley, and little old Wolves have a sponsorship deal that is more than 3 times that of Cardiff.
Cardiff are as "big" as the other 23 teams in the Championship next season. They are smaller than the 20 teams in the Premier League, and if you will insist on using one season of day trippers as sign of the club being big, then I look forward to you accepting arguments of the club being small when their crowds are hitting 12,000 the season after next.
Big clubs don't have to rebrand.
Someones lost it again.
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I would include the population from an easy hours drive from Cardiff, so the valleys to Neath to Abergavenny. The further away from the epicentre the less direct support we will get.
When I was in LA to see the Dodgers in the semi finals of the world series, there were fans from well over 200 miles away as the Dodgers were their local teams.
I know Americans are used to travelling great distances, but similar will happen with Cardiff if we stay in the Premier League.
I hate the term, but we become the franchise Premier team for the region and the longer relative success remains the greater support we will retain.
Wales and the West Country are so bad at football, that any relative success will be welcomed by those who don't live or support the likes of Swansea or Bristol.
Compare Man City and United and the North West.
The majority of us were wanting Wrexham to get through the National League final to hopefully get into the old 4th Division.
Today Fylde are playing Salford!!!
Newport drew 1-1 at home to Mansfield. How many teams are in Mansfield's region. The winner of that tie will play Tranmere or Forest Green.
Forest Green is tiny, but get fans from around that area and that happens at that level.
If City had a sustained period in the Premier League, then for a lot of people we would become 'their' Premier League team.
We could comfortably average 45 to 50,000 attendances at that stage.
A flaw in your thinking, if I may be so bold, is that there are often hundreds of miles between American sporting teams but a radius 200 miles from Cardiff would include a multitude of other football teams, including those in London and the Midlands! Going to see one's nearest club is a different kettle of fish here altogether.
We're a decent sized club with a fair bit of potential to grow into
Not really making any original points here, but I agree that its hard to define what constitutes a big club. The biggest clubs tend to be the most successful, as that's who the plastics gravitate towards. The odd team/area stands out as keeping crowds during the bad times. Sunderland averaged about 31k this season, Newcastle kept crowds during their relegations. The Sheffield teams also seem to keep a large following. Cardiff certainly aren't a 'big club' in the same way as those kind of teams are. But like most teams, with a bit of success I'm sure we'll continue to grow. As for the catchment area argument, that's absolute rubbish. There are numerous other sides within that 'catchment area' for a start. Secondly, many in south Wales seem to just turn up for big events, or choose to be plastics and support utd, arsenal etc.
Wasn’t so long ago Chelsea and Newcastle had crowds of 10,000 odd in the championship as it was. Both established as big now? Are Leicester and saints big? Watford and Burnely?
It was a very long time ago. The 1982/83 season in Chelsea's case. 1980/81 in Newcastle's case, although the crowds never got quite as low as 10,000.
Chelsea in the 80’s were rife with hooligans and yo yo ing back and for too
Chelsea averaged 12,700 in Div 2 in 82/83, were promoted as Champions the following season and have spent one season at Championship level in the 35 seasons since, during which they were also promoted as Champions.
Interestingly as it stands we'll have the 6th biggest stadium in the league next season, 5th if one of Villa, Leeds or Derby win the playoffs
And seats in Bristol City's colours.....
Wales' colours
Maybe I didn't make it clear that I was using the LA scenario as an example and that Cardiff could become OUR region's team, not just the city of Cardiff and the immediate surrounding areas.
Regions who are devoid of Premier League or even Championship teams, may support a relatively local team in those leagues if they want their higher quality football fix.
If Bristol City got to the Premier League then surely they would have a huge catchment area, as there is very little high end football in the region.
Same applies to Cardiff.
If Bristol City got to the Premier League then surely they would have a huge catchment area, as there is very little high end football in the region.
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