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Thread: A lot has been said about Chelsea's offside goal against us...

  1. #31

    Re: A lot has been said about Chelsea's offside goal against us...

    Quote Originally Posted by splott parker View Post
    On holiday the other week and on two separate occasions blokes came up to me and brought the subject up about our misfortunes with refereeing decisions. One was a Sheffield Utd fan who was expecting the same treatment next season. It seems our woes hadnt gone unnoticed by others. I was obviously recognised due to me sporting a Bluebird thong👍
    Burnley fan was telling me the same a few days ago

  2. #32

    Re: A lot has been said about Chelsea's offside goal against us...

    as I've said before...if the gunnar foul on the chelsea centre back at chelseas first corner was given...the fouls on morrison and the offside goal wouldn't have happened.
    and as for bambas offside goal being marginal..dream on..he was around the same distance offside as dave was for chelsea...have another look.
    i have to say that morrison generally has bern grabbed a lot..and it's not as if it's a 50/50 thing as all morrison ever wants to do is head the ball.

  3. #33

    Re: A lot has been said about Chelsea's offside goal against us...

    Quote Originally Posted by kendoddsdadsdogsdead View Post
    as I've said before...if the gunnar foul on the chelsea centre back at chelseas first corner was given...the fouls on morrison and the offside goal wouldn't have happened.
    and as for bambas offside goal being marginal..dream on..he was around the same distance offside as dave was for chelsea...have another look.
    i have to say that morrison generally has bern grabbed a lot..and it's not as if it's a 50/50 thing as all morrison ever wants to do is head the ball.
    The sedate about the Bamba one was whether the ball was flicked on by one of ours or one of theirs.

    It was also pretty chaotic in there.

    The Chelsea offside would have been obvious for the linesman had he not decided not to try to look around William.

    Agree on the Gunnar one, but the same could be said of the Huddersfield penalty after wed had one turned down

  4. #34

    Re: A lot has been said about Chelsea's offside goal against us...

    Quote Originally Posted by BLUETIT View Post
    The reversal of the pelanty awarded at Burnley !!!
    That though was the right decision

  5. #35

    Re: A lot has been said about Chelsea's offside goal against us...

    Quote Originally Posted by Trigger View Post
    Our goal to win at home against Brighton was pretty bad. I firmly believe that Chelsea result would have inspired us and Brighton would have shit themselves.

    Flip it around though and without that win against Brighton maybe we never get close enough to test them.

    For me the non award of the penalty home to Watford was the worst of the lot. Ref has clear sight of it, not far from him and its nailed on. He actually saw it far closer than I did and decided not to give it. Least with Chelsea the linesman didn't get himself in the right position to have a choice to make.
    So we lose 5-2 to Watford? I don't see the significance.

  6. #36

    Re: A lot has been said about Chelsea's offside goal against us...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cretin Hop View Post
    That though was the right decision
    See post on page 1

    No it was not wrong, in fact we should have had 2 pelantys

  7. #37

    Re: A lot has been said about Chelsea's offside goal against us...

    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBlue View Post
    So we lose 5-2 to Watford? I don't see the significance.
    It would have made it 1-1 at half time.

    No way would we have lost 5-2 from there.

    At the end of the day though its all done and dusted now . It wont change so we move on

  8. #38

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawnmower View Post
    It would have made it 1-1 at half time.

    No way would we have lost 5-2 from there.

    At the end of the day though it’s all done and dusted now . It won’t change so we move on
    You're right that nothing will change. But Watford DESTROYED us over both games. That 3-2 up at their place was an insult to them.

  9. #39

    Re: A lot has been said about Chelsea's offside goal against us...

    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBlue View Post
    You're right that nothing will change. But Watford DESTROYED us over both games. That 3-2 up at their place was an insult to them.
    Strange game that, lashing down with rain, absolutely battered for 80 odd minutes then we score and they panicked, we get another and they were melting. Another five minutes and Id have backed us to draw level. It was amazing how they switched off after being so much in control. Unfortunately for them they displayed that ten minutes of defending for ninety minutes yesterday.

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    Re: A lot has been said about Chelsea's offside goal against us...

    Quote Originally Posted by splott parker View Post
    On holiday the other week and on two separate occasions blokes came up to me and brought the subject up about our misfortunes with refereeing decisions. One was a Sheffield Utd fan who was expecting the same treatment next season. It seems our woes hadn’t gone unnoticed by others. I was obviously recognised due to me sporting a Bluebird thong��
    I've recently had similar comments from Sheffield United, Sheffield Wednesday, Man United and West Ham fans (all accompanied by commiserations and sympathies about the Emiliano Sala tragedy). I think most pundits and opposition fans would agree that Cardiff (and Huddersfield) had the rough end of the stick with refereeing decisions last season. Got a few in our favour; got a lot against.

  11. #41

    Re: A lot has been said about Chelsea's offside goal against us...

    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBlue View Post
    You're right that nothing will change. But Watford DESTROYED us over both games. That 3-2 up at their place was an insult to them.
    It certainly was one sided st Vicerage Road. Could and should have been 5/1 there

    But they destroyed us at ours due to us having to go at them.

    At 1-1 we still would have been in it.
    Warnock said the penalty decision ripped the guts out of our players, who up until then had been doing OK.

    No guarantee at all that they would have gone on to beat us from there.

  12. #42

    Re: A lot has been said about Chelsea's offside goal against us...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lawnmower View Post
    No guarantee at all that they would have gone on to beat us from there.
    No guarantee at all that City would have scored the penalty to make it 1-1 either.


  13. #43

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the comedy penalty at Old Trafford last weekend. Can you imagine Warnock's reaction if a penalty like that had been given against City in a game that had something riding on it? Oddly, he didn't complain about the quality of the officials at Manchester.
    The ref knew we were down by then, would never have been awarded if we had needed 3 points to stay up!!!

  14. #44

    Re: A lot has been said about Chelsea's offside goal against us...

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    If our home results had been better against Burnely, Huddersfield, Leicester and Newcastle , these decisions would not be such a talking point .
    But they would because there we so many blatantly against us, if we would have stayed up it would have been despite them!

  15. #45

    Re: A lot has been said about Chelsea's offside goal against us...

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    No guarantee at all that City would have scored the penalty to make it 1-1 either.

    Christ you're a glass-half-empty man!

  16. #46

    Re: A lot has been said about Chelsea's offside goal against us...

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    No guarantee at all that City would have scored the penalty to make it 1-1 either.

    That is fair point. No Camerasa that night either

  17. #47

    Re: A lot has been said about Chelsea's offside goal against us...

    Watford stuffed us twice and I'm 90% certain they would have done so even if we had been given that penalty and scored it. That non decision is a distraction in a thread like this in my view - surely it's the games where controversial refereeing decisions obviously cost us the points which would have kept us up which should take priority?

    Cunningham at Everton, the multitude of poor decisions in the Chelsea game and the matches at Burnley (there's no way their second goal would have been scored in that manner if the score was 1-1 at the time) and Fulham are all examples of games which could have finished with a better result for us if official interpretations had been more favourable to us - we're talking six points there and, even if you take away the two wrongly gained against Brighton that would still leave us a couple of points above the relegation positions.

    Yes, I appreciate this is over simplifying things, but none of the decisions in question would have been as blatantly wrong as Chelsea's equaliser was if they had been given in our favour.

    It's relevant as well that fans from other clubs seem to agree that we had a rougher time of it at the hands of the officials than most and, to be honest, I don't get the arguments from some on here (like, for example, the one about none of the incidents which went against us in the Chelsea game would have occurred if Gunnar had been penalised at the first corner) that anyone who is pointing out something which, to me, seems perfectly obvious is being one eyed.

  18. #48

    Re: A lot has been said about Chelsea's offside goal against us...

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Watford stuffed us twice and I'm 90% certain they would have done so even if we had been given that penalty and scored it. That non decision is a distraction in a thread like this in my view - surely it's the games where controversial refereeing decisions obviously cost us the points which would have kept us up which should take priority?

    Cunningham at Everton, the multitude of poor decisions in the Chelsea game and the matches at Burnley (there's no way their second goal would have been scored in that manner if the score was 1-1 at the time) and Fulham are all examples of games which could have finished with a better result for us if official interpretations had been more favourable to us - we're talking six points there and, even if you take away the two wrongly gained against Brighton that would still leave us a couple of points above the relegation positions.

    Yes, I appreciate this is over simplifying things, but none of the decisions in question would have been as blatantly wrong as Chelsea's equaliser was if they had been given in our favour.

    It's relevant as well that fans from other clubs seem to agree that we had a rougher time of it at the hands of the officials than most and, to be honest, I don't get the arguments from some on here (like, for example, the one about none of the incidents which went against us in the Chelsea game would have occurred if Gunnar had been penalised at the first corner) that anyone who is pointing out something which, to me, seems perfectly obvious is being one eyed.


    ...which bit of it don't you get Bob?

  19. #49

    Re: A lot has been said about Chelsea's offside goal against us...

    Quote Originally Posted by kendoddsdadsdogsdead View Post
    ...which bit of it don't you get Bob?
    How you can jump to a conclusion like that.

  20. #50

    Re: A lot has been said about Chelsea's offside goal against us...

    what conclusion?

  21. #51

    Re: A lot has been said about Chelsea's offside goal against us...

    Quote Originally Posted by kendoddsdadsdogsdead View Post
    what conclusion?
    Forget it

  22. #52

    Re: A lot has been said about Chelsea's offside goal against us...

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Forget it
    ...sorry paul..just wondering if you're aware of the chaos theory...if the chelsea pen is rightly given and it's scored or missed..the whole game pans out different to the one we saw..including iffy decisions.

  23. #53

    Re: A lot has been said about Chelsea's offside goal against us...

    Quote Originally Posted by kendoddsdadsdogsdead View Post
    ...sorry paul..just wondering if you're aware of the chaos theory...if the chelsea pen is rightly given and it's scored or missed..the whole game pans out different to the one we saw..including iffy decisions.
    ...it's akin to saying if we'd scored those 2 last min pens against wolves we would have won...wrong..if we'd scored the first one the second wouldn't have happened.

  24. #54

    Re: A lot has been said about Chelsea's offside goal against us...

    Quote Originally Posted by kendoddsdadsdogsdead View Post
    ...it's akin to saying if we'd scored those 2 last min pens against wolves we would have won...wrong..if we'd scored the first one the second wouldn't have happened.
    I agree about the Wolves game - it finishes 1-1 if Madine scores his penalty.

    However, the Chelsea game is different surely. Chelsea are awarded a penalty for Gunnar's foul and score from it, so that means that, at best from a City perspective, all of the game's other controversial incidents, apart from one, occur with us either drawing or losing (i.e. a situation where we would be expected to have a more attacking attitude than we would have had in the way the match panned out in reality). If anything, that would mean us pumping or throwing more high balls into the Chelsea goalmouth from dead ball situations and more opportunities for the sort of challenges on Morrison that the pundits on Match of the Day agreed should have resulted in two penalties for us (I don't see that a difference in the score at the time would affect the way Chelsea "handled" the threat posed by our captain).

    I accept that Chelsea would not have been as light at the back when Rudiger brought down Zohore late on if the score had been 2-1 to them rather than 1-1, but I don't believe that it was solely the fact that they were losing which enabled Chelsea to gain the corner they equalised from - they would have just as likely have got it if the score was 1-1 at the time and the linesman would have made the same, truly dreadful, error either way.

  25. #55

    Re: A lot has been said about Chelsea's offside goal against us...

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    However, the Chelsea game is different surely. Chelsea are awarded a penalty for Gunnar's foul and score from it, so that means that, at best from a City perspective, all of the game's other controversial incidents, apart from one, occur with us either drawing or losing....
    I don't think you're getting this at all.....

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