BBC Wales programme about Emiliano Sala Mondat evening...

[the other bob wilson]

Here we go again....the old they abandoned him bollocks. How many times do we need to explain that Sala made it his OWN decision to stay later in France and travel LATE, in the dark with an un registered pilot. His bad choice, his shady agent arranged it. He’s a grown man ffs....if anything he should have called ccfc and explained what he was doing, get a dialogue going, and then you hope we could have said, don’t get on that plane it’s too late and the weather is bad....

That's been my attitude all along - it was hardly as if City said he should find his one way over to France and back if he wanted to say goodbye to his old team mates and tie up loose ends in Nantes. However, playing Devil's Advocate to a degree, do we know what other teams would have done in that situation? Would they have just offered to pay for an airline flight like we did or would they have arranged something themselves rather than rely on an agent to do it? Would other Premier League and top end Championship clubs have done things differently to us?

[Harry Monk]

That's been my attitude all along - it was hardly as if City said he should find his one way over to France and back if he wanted to say goodbye to his old team mates and tie up loose ends in Nantes. However, playing Devil's Advocate to a degree, do we know what other teams would have done in that situation? Would they have just offered to pay for an airline flight like we did or would they have arranged something themselves rather than rely on an agent to do it? Would other Premier League and top end Championship clubs have done things differently to us?

Aircraft crash no matter who owns them, how good they are or what distance they are travelling. We witnessed the Leicester owner being killed in his own helicopter a few months before the Sala incident. So bringing Sala over in a private jet or a commercial flight doesn't negate the risk, although the risks are lowered considerably in comaprison.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

That's been my attitude all along - it was hardly as if City said he should find his one way over to France and back if he wanted to say goodbye to his old team mates and tie up loose ends in Nantes. However, playing Devil's Advocate to a degree, do we know what other teams would have done in that situation? Would they have just offered to pay for an airline flight like we did or would they have arranged something themselves rather than rely on an agent to do it? Would other Premier League and top end Championship clubs have done things differently to us?

Good questions, Bob. I would have thought the whole point of having an agent is to manage things like this for the player so the club and player don't have to. Who paid for the ill-fated flight? The club offered to pay for a normal flight, so was the Ibbotson flight a cheaper option, or why was Sala persuaded to use it instead?

[Bluebina]

Good questions, Bob. I would have thought the whole point of having an agent is to manage things like this for the player so the club and player don't have to. Who paid for the ill-fated flight? The club offered to pay for a normal flight, so was the Ibbotson flight a cheaper option, or why was Sala persuaded to use it instead?

I hope they have fully researched the flight details, who the pilot was on the paperwork, was it switched if so why, I would like to know exactly what happened?

[BLUETIT]

As I said in the other thread ( why do they do it ), I wonder if Vinny’s lawyers will be watching???

[xsnaggle]

I would think his lawyers watch every single little thing.

[goats]

As I said in the other thread ( why do they do it ), I wonder if Vinny’s lawyers will be watching???

Good old bbc wales, light years behind in everything with regard to investigative journalism......anyth8ng to have a dig at ccfc no doubt.

[cardiff55]

Good old bbc wales, light years behind in everything with regard to investigative journalism......anyth8ng to have a dig at ccfc no doubt.

Yes I'm sure the BBC will point the finger at CCFC, not where we all know the blame lies.

[goats]

Good questions, Bob. I would have thought the whole point of having an agent is to manage things like this for the player so the club and player don't have to. Who paid for the ill-fated flight? The club offered to pay for a normal flight, so was the Ibbotson flight a cheaper option, or why was Sala persuaded to use it instead?

Who actually is his agent? Why was t he with him like they often are when they actually sign papers? I’m sure a decent one, partic when getting paid a million or so for nothing really, would have been with him all the way, if just to make sure nothing can go wrong and contact the club if he would think things, such as the plane or weather, aren’t right.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

That's been my attitude all along - it was hardly as if City said he should find his one way over to France and back if he wanted to say goodbye to his old team mates and tie up loose ends in Nantes. However, playing Devil's Advocate to a degree, do we know what other teams would have done in that situation? Would they have just offered to pay for an airline flight like we did or would they have arranged something themselves rather than rely on an agent to do it? Would other Premier League and top end Championship clubs have done things differently to us?

Without deflecting from the human tragedy involved, wouldn't you expect a business to insist on a £15m+ asset to be transported in a more reliable fashion?

[Cowbridge Blue]

That's been my attitude all along - .... However, playing Devil's Advocate to a degree, do we know what other teams would have done in that situation? Would they have just offered to pay for an airline flight like we did or would they have arranged something themselves rather than rely on an agent to do it? Would other Premier League and top end Championship clubs have done things differently to us?

This has been my complaint about City's activity in the issue and I said so some months ago. Legally, I don't think Cardiff will be found liable but I asked at the time - if the passenger had been Mrs Dalman or Mrs Choo, wouldn't the club have been more interested in the flight arrangements? Who's plane? Is it a jet? Who's the pilot? Tragically, these questions weren't asked and, as TOBW suggests, that's down to the club's naivety and inexperience in managing expensive assets.

[xsnaggle]

This has been my complaint about City's activity in the issue and I said so some months ago. Legally, I don't think Cardiff will be found liable but I asked at the time - if the passenger had been Mrs Dalman or Mrs Choo, wouldn't the club have been more interested in the flight arrangements? Who's plane? Is it a jet? Who's the pilot? Tragically, these questions weren't asked and, as TOBW suggests, that's down to the club's naivety and inexperience in managing expensive assets.

Your comment is very disingenuous. If it had been one of the persons you mentioned then their husbands would have been responsible and would have ensured everything was OK just as you or I would with our loved-ones. The fact is it is normal practice for the player's agent to arrange these things plus the club offered to arrange perfectly adequate transport arrangements and the player chose to reject them, - - his decision, whether influenced by his agent or not.
It was Sala who wanted to get back really early to join the next day's training session, the club weren't insisting on it or they wouldn't have offered a later flight.
Add to this the assumption that he was not strictly yet CCFC's employee and I cannot see why people seem to think the club was in any way at fault, negligent or less than 100% diligent.