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  1. #91

    Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey

    Quote Originally Posted by Freitag 4.17 View Post
    Trouble with your lot banging on about free speech is that it's totally disingenuous and argued for in bad faith, right wing fascists are the least tolerant people on Earth yet turn in to an avalanche of snowflakery when they feel they are not tolerated...

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...arks-in-london

    I'm guessing your up in arms that 'The Jurisprudence of Blood' by Abu Abdullah al-Muhajir isn't stocked in your local Waterstones.?
    Who is my lot?

    It should be up to the lawmakers to set the boundaries of free speech, not political activists.

  2. #92

    Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Who is my lot?
    Pearl clutching, pojecting, conspiracy theorising, right leaning, jew fearing, hypocritical, 'free speech' enthusing, not right in the mind people such as your good self.

  3. #93

    Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey

    Quote Originally Posted by Freitag 4.17 View Post
    Pearl clutching, pojecting, conspiracy theorising, right leaning, jew fearing, hypocritical, 'free speech' enthusing, not right in the mind people such as your good self.
    I've only ever voted for Labour, how about you? My observations are made on an intellectual level, not because I have a horse the race. It's people like you who can't see any further than the end of their own noses.

  4. #94

    Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Getting personal again is it? This seems to be your modus operandi, insulting anybody who has a different view to you. How tolerant you are
    Strangely enough I wasn't just talking about you

  5. #95

    Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey

    Quote Originally Posted by jamieccfc View Post
    Strangely enough I wasn't just talking about you
    It doesn't matter. Your language gives you away every time Maybe spend more time on constructing a decent argument

  6. #96

    Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Free speech is the central pillar of democracy, yet people are advocating for the shutting down of opinions that they don't agree with.
    No they're not, people are saying that a privately owned record shop can stock what it wants

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    Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey

    Quote Originally Posted by Freitag 4.17 View Post
    Pearl clutching, pojecting, conspiracy theorising, right leaning, jew fearing, hypocritical, 'free speech' enthusing, not right in the mind people such as your good self.
    Suggesting that people are "not right in the mind" because they don't share your views is pretty low

  8. #98

    Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey

    I'm going to have my dinner, and when I come back I hope to see some convincing arguments being made, showing why opinions that you don't agree with have to be silenced, and why it is a good thing.

  9. #99

    Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey

    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    Suggesting that people are "not right in the mind" because they don't share your views is pretty low
    It's all they've got, and they don't even know why they believe what they do!

  10. #100

    Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    I've only ever voted for Labour, how about you? My observations are made on an intellectual level, not because I have a horse the race. It's people like you who can't see any further than the end of their own noses.
    In that case I'd review your observations a bit more rigorously if I were you as your promulgations don't reach any intellectual level whatsoever.

  11. #101

    Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    I'm going to have my dinner, and when I come back I hope to see some convincing arguments made, showing why opinions that you don't agree with have to be silenced.
    Mate you don't have to explain that you're going to be away for a bit. It's an anonymous internet message board, you could disappear for a year and no one would care

  12. #102

    Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    I bet you are all for the spying on political opponents too, as long as it's not the one that you vote for. You see, when you start all of this shit, you can never stop.
    So are we all still Communists for defending a private business?

  13. #103

    Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey

    Quote Originally Posted by Freitag 4.17 View Post
    In that case I'd review your observations a bit more rigorously if I were you as your promulgations don't reach any intellectual level whatsoever.
    There is a wealth of historical knowledge regarding the shutting down free speech and spying on political opponents, etc.. If you believe so strongly in this type of behaviour, you should have no trouble defending it. Go on, give it your best shot.

  14. #104

    Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey

    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    Mate you don't have to explain that you're going to be away for a bit. It's an anonymous internet message board, you could disappear for a year and no one would care
    It means you've got an hour to come up with something more substantial than the bollocks you have been talking so far

  15. #105

    Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    There is a wealth of historical knowledge regarding the shutting down free speech and spying on political opponents, etc.. If you believe so strongly in this type of behaviour, you should have no trouble defending it. Go on, give it your best shot.
    I'm defending the right of a private business owner to exercise their free will to not stock a shit record by a shit person with a particularly nasty and shitty political affiliation.

  16. #106

    Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey

    Quote Originally Posted by Freitag 4.17 View Post
    I'm defending the right of a private business owner to exercise their free will to not stock a shit record by a shit person with a particularly nasty and shitty political affiliation.
    Yes, I know you got the same memo as everybody else, and we all know that weaponising attacks on free speech is a marxist construct that is as old as the hills, so how about telling me why it is such a good thing and why I should be supporting it?

  17. #107

    Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey

    Quote Originally Posted by Freitag 4.17 View Post
    Pearl clutching, pojecting, conspiracy theorising, right leaning, jew fearing, hypocritical, 'free speech' enthusing, not right in the mind people such as your good self.
    Spot on disingenuous is exactly right.

    This is free speech being exercised on both sides.

    The right of ďfree speechĒ is just that the government canít arrest you for it, itís got nothing to do with a private business stocking a record.

    It also ignores the paradox of free speech. Should someone who wants to murder all white people be allowed to preach this on the streets. Is it true freedom if it makes the lives of others less free?

  18. #108

    Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Yes, I know you got the same memo as everybody else, and we all know that weaponising attacks on free speech is a marxist construct that is as old as the hills, so how about telling me why it is such a good thing and why I should be supporting it.
    Jesus Christ

  19. #109

    Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    Jesus Christ
    I'm guessing you won't be able to go beyond the shop ownership arguement either, or the consequences of it being scaled up to the point that all businesses start operating as political activists.

  20. #110

    Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    I'm guessing you won't be able to go beyond the shop ownership arguement either, or the consequences of it being scaled up to the point that all businesses start operating as political activists.
    But isnít them doing that exercising their free speech?

    Should record shops be forced to sell every record thatís produced?

    Your last point is very straw man isnít it?

  21. #111

    Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Yes, I know you got the same memo as everybody else, and we all know that weaponising attacks on free speech is a marxist construct that is as old as the hills, so how about telling me why it is such a good thing and why I should be supporting it?
    "You cannot enjoy the advantages of a free press without putting up with its inconveniences. You cannot pluck the rose without its thorns!" —Karl Marx

    That's about all he had to say about free speech, he was more for freedom of the people and raising up those in poverty to a position where their speech mattered.

    What definition of Marxism is your intellect labouring under to come up with 'weaponised attacks' in the context of a private business owner choosing to not stock a record?

  22. #112

    Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    It doesn't matter. Your language gives you away every time Maybe spend more time on constructing a decent argument
    Gives me away? Get over yourself man who gives a flying **** that a record shop stopped selling Morrissey records and comparing it to North Korea

  23. #113

    Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    Jesus Christ
    I'm not sure he understands what Communism/Marxism is

  24. #114

    Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey

    Quote Originally Posted by City123 View Post
    I'm not sure he understands what Communism/Marxism is
    He understands it as the propaganda heís read on right wing conspiracy websites without realising heís being taken in then tries to pass it off as faux intellectualism.

  25. #115

    Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey

    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    Suggesting that people are "not right in the mind" because they don't share your views is pretty low
    Isnít he saying people who follow fascist parties like Britain first and the people who defend them arenít right in the head.

    Must we treat all views equally even when theyíre far right views?

  26. #116

    Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    Isn’t he saying people who follow fascist parties like Britain first and the people who defend them aren’t right in the head.

    Must we treat all views equally even when they’re far right views?
    I'm very happy to stand by comment that I think the poster 'Wales-Blaes' is not right in the mind. I'm not mocking his disability, merely pointing out that he may have one.

  27. #117

    Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey

    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    Suggesting that people are "not right in the mind" because they don't share your views is pretty low
    I'm not suggesting it because he doesn't share my views, I'm suggesting it because his views are consistently batshit mental.

  28. #118

    Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    Isn’t he saying people who follow fascist parties like Britain first and the people who defend them aren’t right in the head.

    Must we treat all views equally even when they’re far right views?
    He's saying people have a right to express their opinions as long as they are not breaking the law.

    Everybody else is saying that people with opinions different to their own need to be silenced.

  29. #119

    Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey

    Quote Originally Posted by Freitag 4.17 View Post
    I'm very happy to stand by comment that I think the poster 'Wales-Blaes' is not right in the mind. I'm not mocking his disability, merely pointing out that he may have one.
    That's it move onto the insults, as you are clearly not capable of constructing an arguement that backs up your opinion that opposing views need to be silenced if you don't agree with them. There is a word for people like you

  30. #120

    Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    He understands it as the propaganda he’s read on right wing conspiracy websites without realising he’s being taken in then tries to pass it off as faux intellectualism.
    Conspiracy AND right wing in the same sentence

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