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    Ken Clarke

    He would be a safe pair of hands in a divided party. AKA Warnock and Cardiff city.

    Better than most of the Tory Buffon's.
    Hunt, Johnson, leverson no no no.

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    Re: Ken Clarke

    What about the honourable member for the 18th century? Moggy, Moggy, Moggy Out, Out, Out has a bit of a ring to it!

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    What ever happens, unless you're a Tory MP, none of us will be choosing the next PM.

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    I would never dream in a million years of voting for the 'Nasty Party' or any other right-wing political party for that matter. Doing so would be an absolute betrayal of my roots and to those who have given their absolute all in working life only to have arthritis and high energy bills in return, whist those people eat in restaurants at the same cost as the average weekly wage for the rest of us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Monk View Post
    What ever happens, unless you're a Tory MP, none of us will be choosing the next PM.
    Similar to Jim Callaghan, John Major and Gordon Brown then in the sense that none were elected by the public when they took office.

    By the way Tory party members vote on their leader, albeit from a shortlist agreed by MPs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B. Oddie View Post
    I would never dream in a million years of voting for the 'Nasty Party' or any other right-wing political party for that matter. Doing so would be an absolute betrayal of my roots and to those who have given their absolute all in working life only to have arthritis and high energy bills in return, whist those people eat in restaurants at the same cost as the average weekly wage for the rest of us.
    And there lies the problem - people voting for a political party because of their roots. That is why Labour will always get in in many Welsh constituencies and why the posh people of Henley always vote Conservative. In my opinion people should vote for a Party that they consider is best for the country at any given time and not blindly vote for one Party because that is what they and their families have always done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    And there lies the problem - people voting for a political party because of their roots. That is why Labour will always get in in many Welsh constituencies and why the posh people of Henley always vote Conservative. In my opinion people should vote for a Party that they consider is best for the country at any given time and not blindly vote for one Party because that is what they and their families have always done.
    Here, here. The circumstances we are born in should not override critical analysis, ethics and fairness.

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    Re: Ken Clarke

    Quote Originally Posted by Robin Friday's Ghost View Post
    Similar to Jim Callaghan, John Major and Gordon Brown then in the sense that none were elected by the public when they took office.

    By the way Tory party members vote on their leader, albeit from a shortlist agreed by MPs.
    The last 2 candidates will be put to a hustings, after any other candidates have been rejected by Tory MP's, unless there is only one candidate or they all pull out of the race - which is what happened with May when she became leader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Monk View Post
    The last 2 candidates will be put to a hustings, after any other candidates have been rejected by Tory MP's, unless there is only one candidate or they all pull out of the race - which is what happened with May when she became leader.
    If everyone else pulled out or there's only one candidate then the members would hardly be being excluded from the selection though.

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    Re: Ken Clarke

    move to the political side

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    Quote Originally Posted by kendoddsdadsdogsdead View Post
    move to the political side
    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    And there lies the problem - people voting for a political party because of their roots. That is why Labour will always get in in many Welsh constituencies and why the posh people of Henley always vote Conservative. In my opinion people should vote for a Party that they consider is best for the country at any given time and not blindly vote for one Party because that is what they and their families have always done.
    The problem with that is there’s no fecker to vote for then

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    Re: Ken Clarke

    James Cleverly or Ruth Davidson would be good choices

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    Re: Ken Clarke

    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    And there lies the problem - people voting for a political party because of their roots. That is why Labour will always get in in many Welsh constituencies and why the posh people of Henley always vote Conservative. In my opinion people should vote for a Party that they consider is best for the country at any given time and not blindly vote for one Party because that is what they and their families have always done.
    I vote for a party that I think best represents the values I have. I may violently disagree with some of the leading figures, and I may disagree with some of the manifesto promises (or political decisions made in government that ignore the manifesto). But I believe that the party history, organisation, roots and surviving principles make it the default for me. My decision is not based on finacial self interest (quite the opposite) and I sometimes find that smaller parties have policis that I like better.

    But in the real world where governmental power makes the difference between dignity and dispair for so many, it would take a siesmic shift in the nature of my preferred party to make me change my normal vote. That is thinking tribalism based on shared values, not unthinking repetition of what parents or peers did decades ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    And there lies the problem - people voting for a political party because of their roots. That is why Labour will always get in in many Welsh constituencies and why the posh people of Henley always vote Conservative. In my opinion people should vote for a Party that they consider is best for the country at any given time and not blindly vote for one Party because that is what they and their families have always done.
    Best political comment this year .

    I know Tories who think Socialist , and core Labour voters who sound like right wing UKIP nutters ,but only vote Labour .

    I think the past just keep on giving , everyone wants it back , albeit the English quiet rural village life, or a seventies Citizen Smith type social moment .

    There is a bigger picture ,there are good and bad in both parties , and others .

    The two party position and its dreadful posturing has to be got rid of in my view its strangling us and both are causing decay .

    Yep , this post is on he wrong board though .

    I'm just waiting for the one eyed insult replies to land now , which sums up modern politics and its keyboard followers , lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Best political comment this year .

    I know Tories who think Socialist , and core Labour voters who sound like right wing UKIP nutters ,but only vote Labour .

    I think the past just keep on giving , everyone wants it back , albeit the English quiet rural village life, or a seventies Citizen Smith type social moment .

    There is a bigger picture ,there are good and bad in both parties , and others .

    The two party position and its dreadful posturing has to be got rid of in my view its strangling us and both are causing decay .

    Yep , this post is on he wrong board though .

    I'm just waiting for the one eyed insult replies to land now , which sums up modern politics and its keyboard followers , lol
    My political posts get moved to the politics board. Why is this shite here

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    Re: Ken Clarke

    Quote Originally Posted by splott parker View Post
    What about the honourable member for the 18th century? Moggy, Moggy, Moggy Out, Out, Out has a bit of a ring to it!
    He's not as up to date as the 18th century, more like the Honourable Member for the Middle Ages. It was interesting to note in the last week or so that even Donald Trump has more "enlightened" views on abortion than JRM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    And there lies the problem - people voting for a political party because of their roots. That is why Labour will always get in in many Welsh constituencies and why the posh people of Henley always vote Conservative. In my opinion people should vote for a Party that they consider is best for the country at any given time and not blindly vote for one Party because that is what they and their families have always done.
    I don't vote blindly for any particular party.

    I have always given my vote to left leaning parties with the one being closest to the right being LibDems who are obviously centre of the scale or left centre but since Jeremy Corbyn has been the Labour Leader, I have become a Labour Member.

    My roots are here in industrial South Wales where all my family have worked in tough, physically demanding jobs and their quality of life was and is extremely low compared to the directors who would take your last tenner if you offered it - of course I'm not going to vote for any party on the right. The Tory government in particular has donors from multi millionaires and billionaires alike. These are the people who could not give a care how the wider society is being run, as long as their pockets are lined and that no-one encroaches on their Eden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysAway2 View Post
    My political posts get moved to the politics board. Why is this shite here
    I'm sure it will drift over soon .

    I think folk like to enage a more varied view on the footy side as there is a broader viewpoint , you can become trapped in a narrow nonsense viewpoint on the darker side of the board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    I'm sure it will drift over soon .

    I think folk like to enage a more varied view on the footy side as there is a broader viewpoint , you can become trapped in a narrow nonsense viewpoint on the darker side of the board.
    ................... and there is no football to talk about!

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    Quote Originally Posted by B. Oddie View Post
    I don't vote blindly for any particular party.

    I have always given my vote to left leaning parties with the one being closest to the right being LibDems who are obviously centre of the scale or left centre but since Jeremy Corbyn has been the Labour Leader, I have become a Labour Member.

    My roots are here in industrial South Wales where all my family have worked in tough, physically demanding jobs and their quality of life was and is extremely low compared to the directors who would take your last tenner if you offered it - of course I'm not going to vote for any party on the right. The Tory government in particular has donors from multi millionaires and billionaires alike. These are the people who could not give a care how the wider society is being run, as long as their pockets are lined and that no-one encroaches on their Eden.
    I do know a number of privately Welsh companies and they treat there employees very well , and have given them great opportunities.

    They could have set up In England, but chose not too ,which has helped our economy, not just taken from it .

    I'm sure you have alternative experiences, however I do feel its best not too tarr everyone with the same brush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    I do know a number of privately Welsh companies and they treat there employees very well , and have given them great opportunities.

    They could have set up In England, but chose not too ,which has helped our economy, not just taken from it .

    I'm sure you have alternative experiences, however I do feel its best not too tarr everyone with the same brush.
    How do they keep their Welshness private? Hiding their leeks under a bushel perhaps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysAway2 View Post
    My political posts get moved to the politics board. Why is this shite here
    It's not shite

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    Here, here. The circumstances we are born in should not override critical analysis, ethics and fairness.
    It is often because of our circumstances that we vote as we do.

    Areas where jobs are few/crap and there is little money are more socialist due to the thought that Labour are more for the average working person. Areas where jobs are easier to come by and are much more affluent are more likely to challenge what happens to their money.

    Take Brexit. Very little thought or expert analysis from most Brexit supporters, who are happy enough to gamble with other people's futures because of rumours they've heard in the pub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    I do know a number of privately Welsh companies and they treat there employees very well , and have given them great opportunities.
    Treating employees well should be a given, but when the job market is not buoyant, employers can demand more of their staff and sometimes take away some perks to save some money. I worked for a short while in a call centre for Tesco and their attitude either side of the 2008 crash went from wanting to look after staff, fearful of losing them as there were lots of jobs about, to one of "if you're not happy, you can always look for another job". It isn't particularly a public/private thing; I know plenty employed by the public sector who have been treated like shit.

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    Re: Ken Clarke

    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    And there lies the problem - people voting for a political party because of their roots. That is why Labour will always get in in many Welsh constituencies and why the posh people of Henley always vote Conservative. In my opinion people should vote for a Party that they consider is best for the country at any given time and not blindly vote for one Party because that is what they and their families have always done.
    I'd argue that because we didn't change the voting system when we had the opportunity this style of voting continue, Westminster doesn't necessarily reflect what people feel day to day and it lead to many people wanting a massive change, any change. Long before David Cameron started a referendum he would not make plans for for in order to quell some of his more vocal backbenchers, Labour and Tories campaigned against change because they thought it would put their position as 1 and 2 in UK under greater risk.

    Ken Clarke wouldn't satisfy the current Conservative Party.

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