He would be a safe pair of hands in a divided party. AKA Warnock and Cardiff city.
Better than most of the Tory Buffon's.
Hunt, Johnson, leverson no no no.
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He would be a safe pair of hands in a divided party. AKA Warnock and Cardiff city.
Better than most of the Tory Buffon's.
Hunt, Johnson, leverson no no no.
What about the honourable member for the 18th century? Moggy, Moggy, Moggy Out, Out, Out has a bit of a ring to it!
He's not as up to date as the 18th century, more like the Honourable Member for the Middle Ages. It was interesting to note in the last week or so that even Donald Trump has more "enlightened" views on abortion than JRMOriginally Posted by splott parker
What ever happens, unless you're a Tory MP, none of us will be choosing the next PM.
Similar to Jim Callaghan, John Major and Gordon Brown then in the sense that none were elected by the public when they took office.
By the way Tory party members vote on their leader, albeit from a shortlist agreed by MPs.
The last 2 candidates will be put to a hustings, after any other candidates have been rejected by Tory MP's, unless there is only one candidate or they all pull out of the race - which is what happened with May when she became leader.
I would never dream in a million years of voting for the 'Nasty Party' or any other right-wing political party for that matter. Doing so would be an absolute betrayal of my roots and to those who have given their absolute all in working life only to have arthritis and high energy bills in return, whist those people eat in restaurants at the same cost as the average weekly wage for the rest of us.
And there lies the problem - people voting for a political party because of their roots. That is why Labour will always get in in many Welsh constituencies and why the posh people of Henley always vote Conservative. In my opinion people should vote for a Party that they consider is best for the country at any given time and not blindly vote for one Party because that is what they and their families have always done.
Here, here. The circumstances we are born in should not override critical analysis, ethics and fairness.
It is often because of our circumstances that we vote as we do.
Areas where jobs are few/crap and there is little money are more socialist due to the thought that Labour are more for the average working person. Areas where jobs are easier to come by and are much more affluent are more likely to challenge what happens to their money.
Take Brexit. Very little thought or expert analysis from most Brexit supporters, who are happy enough to gamble with other people's futures because of rumours they've heard in the pub.
The problem with that is there’s no fecker to vote for then
James Cleverly or Ruth Davidson would be good choices
I vote for a party that I think best represents the values I have. I may violently disagree with some of the leading figures, and I may disagree with some of the manifesto promises (or political decisions made in government that ignore the manifesto). But I believe that the party history, organisation, roots and surviving principles make it the default for me. My decision is not based on finacial self interest (quite the opposite) and I sometimes find that smaller parties have policis that I like better.
But in the real world where governmental power makes the difference between dignity and dispair for so many, it would take a siesmic shift in the nature of my preferred party to make me change my normal vote. That is thinking tribalism based on shared values, not unthinking repetition of what parents or peers did decades ago.
Best political comment this year .
I know Tories who think Socialist , and core Labour voters who sound like right wing UKIP nutters ,but only vote Labour .
I think the past just keep on giving , everyone wants it back , albeit the English quiet rural village life, or a seventies Citizen Smith type social moment .
There is a bigger picture ,there are good and bad in both parties , and others .
The two party position and its dreadful posturing has to be got rid of in my view its strangling us and both are causing decay .
Yep , this post is on he wrong board though .
I'm just waiting for the one eyed insult replies to land now , which sums up modern politics and its keyboard followers , lol
My political posts get moved to the politics board. Why is this shite here
It's not shite
I don't vote blindly for any particular party.
I have always given my vote to left leaning parties with the one being closest to the right being LibDems who are obviously centre of the scale or left centre but since Jeremy Corbyn has been the Labour Leader, I have become a Labour Member.
My roots are here in industrial South Wales where all my family have worked in tough, physically demanding jobs and their quality of life was and is extremely low compared to the directors who would take your last tenner if you offered it - of course I'm not going to vote for any party on the right. The Tory government in particular has donors from multi millionaires and billionaires alike. These are the people who could not give a care how the wider society is being run, as long as their pockets are lined and that no-one encroaches on their Eden.
I'd argue that because we didn't change the voting system when we had the opportunity this style of voting continue, Westminster doesn't necessarily reflect what people feel day to day and it lead to many people wanting a massive change, any change. Long before David Cameron started a referendum he would not make plans for for in order to quell some of his more vocal backbenchers, Labour and Tories campaigned against change because they thought it would put their position as 1 and 2 in UK under greater risk.
Ken Clarke wouldn't satisfy the current Conservative Party.
But the point is shirley that the voting system didn't change because we, the voting public, voted not to change it.
as for the Brexit referendum he called it because it was a promise he made in the election manifesto. so many complain that parties do not keep their election promises and now he gets castigated for doing exactly that.
It seems sometimes you just can't win.
Not sure I understand how that follows on from my point. Are you saying you feel Westminster, in these two ways, is representative of the public? There is a lot of anger, division and refusal to compromise and that has been the case for a number of years now. That had to come from somewhere and I'd argue not changing the voting system was part of that because of what it lead to/allowed to continue on.
You're talking too much common sense for this board, clear off!
[QUOTE=B. Oddie;4975602]I would never dream in a million years of voting for the 'Nasty Party' or any other right-wing political party for that matter. Doing so would be an absolute betrayal of my roots and to those who have given their absolute all in working life only to have arthritis and high energy bills in
You think Labour has done better when in government?? They eat from the same trough.....
[QUOTE=Maurice Swan;4975811]That was New Labour. I voted them into power but not subsequently. I may as well have voted for the Tories in all honesty. There was very little difference in the two at the time.
I voted for Labour in the last General Election because I truly believe that a Labour Government led by Jeremy Corbyn is what we need to level to the social divides that exist in this country.
[QUOTE=B. Oddie;4975816]I have yet to hear from any Labour spokesperson how their policies are to be implemented. Privatisations, eliminating student debt, housing, increasing Benefits to eliminate so called poverty etc etc has to be paid for. We know Labour want to increase taxation on businesses but that will mean more unemployment. The upshot is that anyone on a half decent wage will be taxed to oblivion and in all probability we will return to the days when people chose not to work as a career choice. Why work when you can earn as much or even more on Benefits - we have been there before.
Labour is not the answer; but neither is any Party. Something needs to change in politics but the answer alludes me.
[QUOTE=Vindec;4975828]You don't think major corporations should pay the correct amount of tax, then?
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