Brexit Party Smashing It!

[Eric Cartman]

I voted the remain.Voted Labour this time.
However, I have come to the conclusion I want to see a No Deal asap.
It's the only way to see whose right and whose wrong.

If Brexit turns out to be a disaster you can be sure that brexiteers won't be to blame.

[Eric Cartman]

The Brexit Party would romp home in a first past the post general election, which is what Farage is promising if we don't leave on Oct 31st.

Based on what?

[lardy]

Farage is promising a general election? How is he going to engineer that?

[surge]

I've said before no decision is ever right or wrong until after it is made. It's what you do after you make it that matters. Either way is a leap in the dark.
The worst possible result would be to have to go begging to the EU to change our minds and stay in. The French would simply love it!!!!

The issue is that as soon as leave starts to become defined it becomes the most unpopular option. Maybe we should have just left with May's deal but that's proved so unpopular Tories came 5th in these EU elections, maybe we should leave under WTO rules but that's only been supported by about 33% of those who voted last Thursday* or maybe we should leave with a combination of May's deal plus Customs Union but they'll be plenty saying that betrays Brexit.

We wouldn't have to go begging to stay in. We can cancel Brexit at any point before we leave and, presumably, return to the same arrangement we had before.

*difficult to say that because they'll be those voting for Tory and Labour who are open to that also.

[xsnaggle]

The issue is that as soon as leave starts to become defined it becomes the most unpopular option. Maybe we should have just left with May's deal but that's proved so unpopular Tories came 5th in these EU elections, maybe we should leave under WTO rules but that's only been supported by about 33% of those who voted last Thursday* or maybe we should leave with a combination of May's deal plus Customs Union but they'll be plenty saying that betrays Brexit.

We wouldn't have to go begging to stay in. We can cancel Brexit at any point before we leave and, presumably, return to the same arrangement we had before.

*difficult to say that because they'll be those voting for Tory and Labour who are open to that also.

I broadly agree with you, the comment about our staying was not that our status and voting power would change but that we will have, in the eyes of some, returned with 'our tail between our legs' and they will take every opportunity to reminds us that we are only there because the chose to 'allow' us to revoke article 50. I can anticipate the comments like "Why should we take any notice of you, you might be leaving again next week". I'm sure you can see what I mean.

[Wales-Bales]

Based on what?

Farage's own words.

[Wales-Bales]

Farage is promising a general election? How is he going to engineer that?

If there is a deadlock over Brexit it will require a general election to make progress, and then the Brexit Party will contest that election.

[Wales-Bales]

I voted the remain.Voted Labour this time.
However, I have come to the conclusion I want to see a No Deal asap.
It's the only way to see whose right and whose wrong.

Now is probably a good time to get out. China is being contained and the US & Japan are currently plotting the end of globalisation. India and Brazil are on-board, along with South Korea and various other nations. The EU is going to find itself seriously short of cash, and that is before the US renegotiates their EU trade deal. France is also not looking good either, I can't see Macron lasting. The fallout is going to be huge, as it is with all socialist states when the decline sets in.

[Wales-Bales]

Now is probably a good time to get out. China is being contained and the US & Japan are currently plotting the end of globalisation. India and Brazil are on-board, along with South Korea and various other nations. The EU is going to find itself seriously short of cash, and that is before the US renegotiates their EU trade deal. France is also not looking good either, I can't see Macron lasting. The fallout is going to be huge, as it is with all socialist states when the decline sets in.

^^^^ Merkel's Iran are also being sidelined, and any regime change will see them aligned with the US.

In short, the EU are f***ed geopolitically.

[elytillidie]

^^^^ Merkel's Iran are also being sidelined, and any regime change will see them aligned with the US.



In short, the EU are f***ed geopolitically.

The only thing that I can glean from the results is that Leave means Remain?

[Eric Cartman]

I broadly agree with you, the comment about our staying was not that our status and voting power would change but that we will have, in the eyes of some, returned with 'our tail between our legs' and they will take every opportunity to reminds us that we are only there because the chose to 'allow' us to revoke article 50. I can anticipate the comments like "Why should we take any notice of you, you might be leaving again next week". I'm sure you can see what I mean.

Would that bother you enough to want to leave with no deal?

[Eric Cartman]

If there is a deadlock over Brexit it will require a general election to make progress, and then the Brexit Party will contest that election.

Does he think they will romp home or do you?

[Eric Cartman]

Now is probably a good time to get out. China is being contained and the US & Japan are currently plotting the end of globalisation. India and Brazil are on-board, along with South Korea and various other nations. The EU is going to find itself seriously short of cash, and that is before the US renegotiates their EU trade deal. France is also not looking good either, I can't see Macron lasting. The fallout is going to be huge, as it is with all socialist states when the decline sets in.

Are you calling macron's government socialist?

[Wales-Bales]

The only thing that I can glean from the results is that Leave means Remain?

Remain would have been ok under the old Bush/Clinton/Obama way of doing things, but the global economy is now sailing in a new direction, so it would be a very good time to jump ship. Only hardcore socialists would think it's a good idea to stay in the EU at this point in history.

[Wales-Bales]

Are you calling macron's government socialist?

Macron is a chameleon.

[Wales-Bales]

Does he think they will romp home or do you?

I think we both do after seeing the numbers outside of London.

[bobh]

I can't imagine anything other than no-deal exit.
The EU aren't going to give us a "good" deal (for us) are they?
Otherwise other countries may want out.
Barnier I believe wants to give us such a bad deal that we want to go back in - on their terms.

[life on mars]

Are you calling macron's government socialist?

Macron's politics is a bloody mystery ,he started as a socialist then became a centralist ,he now faces the yellow vests who have claimed a number of lives and the right wing surge, and we think we have problem.

[life on mars]

I can't imagine anything other than no-deal exit.
The EU aren't going to give us a "good" deal (for us) are they?
Otherwise other countries may want out.
Barnier I believe wants to give us such a bad deal that we want to go back in - on their terms.

Or force a second referendum as Europe has done many times.

[Wales-Bales]

Macron's politics is a bloody mystery ,he started as a socialist then became a centralist ,he now faces the yellow vests who have claimed a number of lives and the right wing surge, and we think we have problem.

A very good observation.

[xsnaggle]

Would that bother you enough to want to leave with no deal?

Yes It would. But then, despite originally being a pro remain voter I would now vote for out because the country voted for it and parliament should deliver it.

[Eric Cartman]

I think we both do after seeing the numbers outside of London.

Ukip in 2014 + a little bit? I don't see it myself.

[Eric Cartman]

Yes It would. But then, despite originally being a pro remain voter I would now vote for out because the country voted for it and parliament should deliver it.

That is fair enough and a decent reason on the face of it. Wanting to leave because you imagined some french guy taking the piss out of us is not.

If this is about the democratic process and respecting it then doesn't following a direction which all the evidence shows us doesn't have a mandate (no deal) kind of defeat the point?

[dandywarhol]

How can the deadlock be broken.
Parliament cant agree on a solution. The Tories don’t want a General Election.
As Leonard James Callaghan, Baron Callaghan of Cardiff, KG, PC
said of the Liberals Its like Turkeys voting for an early Christmas.

[life on mars]

How can the deadlock be broken.
Parliament cant agree on a solution. The Tories don’t want a General Election.
As Leonard James Callaghan, Baron Callaghan of Cardiff, KG, PC
said of the Liberals Its like Turkeys voting for an early Christmas.

31st October is Halloween Day , were about to see the biggest horror show on earth.