Brexit Party Smashing It!

[Eric Cartman]

I think we both do after seeing the numbers outside of London.

Ukip in 2014 + a little bit? I don't see it myself.

[Eric Cartman]

Yes It would. But then, despite originally being a pro remain voter I would now vote for out because the country voted for it and parliament should deliver it.

That is fair enough and a decent reason on the face of it. Wanting to leave because you imagined some french guy taking the piss out of us is not.

If this is about the democratic process and respecting it then doesn't following a direction which all the evidence shows us doesn't have a mandate (no deal) kind of defeat the point?

[dandywarhol]

How can the deadlock be broken.
Parliament cant agree on a solution. The Tories don’t want a General Election.
As Leonard James Callaghan, Baron Callaghan of Cardiff, KG, PC
said of the Liberals Its like Turkeys voting for an early Christmas.

[life on mars]

How can the deadlock be broken.
Parliament cant agree on a solution. The Tories don’t want a General Election.
As Leonard James Callaghan, Baron Callaghan of Cardiff, KG, PC
said of the Liberals Its like Turkeys voting for an early Christmas.

31st October is Halloween Day , were about to see the biggest horror show on earth.

[life on mars]

Yes It would. But then, despite originally being a pro remain voter I would now vote for out because the country voted for it and parliament should deliver it.

👍agree totally Its called democracy, you cannot overturn a vote because you dont agree with it , where does that end ?

PS I too voted remain, I'd now vote to leave, after this shit shower , of kicking the can down the road . Having said that ,one of the can kickers has quit , what's the other delaying tactic chap going to do next ,there's only so many fences you can sit on ,put up or shut I'd say to him ??

[City123]

I think people may be getting carried away. It was a single issue campaign and a general election is more than that. People are voting for an MP to represent them for years and that means Brexit party need to start from scratch. No one who has an MEP seat can stand for Parliament at the same time.

They'd be relying on new candidates or getting existing MPs to leave their parties and join. And that's all assuming that the new PM calls a general election, which quite frankly they'd be mental to do with the high risk of losing.

Agreed

[life on mars]

At a UK level Brexit Party has so far 33.2% of the vote.
Lib Dems and Greens so far have 33.4% of the vote.

In Wales, Brexit Party got 32.5% of the vote.
Plaid Cymru and Lib Dems got 33.2% of the vote.

Things seem just as split as ever. All we know is that the Tories, the party falling apart realising an effective Brexit is impossible to deliver, and Labour, sitting on the fence, got a kicking.

BBC reporting that pro-Brexit parties got 34.9% of the vote so far.
Anti-Brexit parties got 40.4% of the vote so far.

Should you add the low Tory vote into the Brexit % ??

[life on mars]

Agreed

Yes do agree, and you could see those Brexit voters float back to thier natural political habitat, its bit like bird migration, and our plastic Premiership watchers ,they come and go .

[dandywarhol]

Was Eddie Jones right.Wales is just a principality of England.The Scots and Irish voted against Farage.

[life on mars]

Was Eddie Jones right.Wales is just a principality of England.The Scots and Irish voted against Farage.

We dont have the same grudge against the English or the Britishness, they have a stronger nationalist vigour, which can be quite bigoted when unleashed .

[CardiffIrish2]

We dont have the same grudge against the English or the Britishness, they have a stronger nationalist vigour, which can be quite bigoted when unleashed .

The entity of the United Kingdom
Has done quite well at the expense of the Scots and The Irish throughout the years.
Their national identity which in your words can be quite bigoted has been as the result of things like the plantation of Ulster, the potato famine, the excessively violent suppression of the Easter Rising leaders in Irelands case.

The Republic of Ireland seems to be doing quite well away from the United Kingdom. Wales could do well to learn from therm.

I’d you’re going to talk about bigotry when unleashed I’d suggest you look at the way some English football fans who have the EDL mentality refer to Celtic nations and you’d see that it’s not a one way thing.

[Wales-Bales]

The entity of the United Kingdom
Has done quite well at the expense of the Scots and The Irish throughout the years.
Their national identity which in your words can be quite bigoted has been as the result of things like the plantation of Ulster, the potato famine, the excessively violent suppression of the Easter Rising leaders in Irelands case.

The Republic of Ireland seems to be doing quite well away from the United Kingdom. Wales could do well to learn from therm.

I’d you’re going to talk about bigotry when unleashed I’d suggest you look at the way some English football fans who have the EDL mentality refer to Celtic nations and you’d see that it’s not a one way thing.

It still goes on except today except there are diffent targets nowadays, and ironically you tend to support the establishment view of things. It's a real headscratcher isn't it

[CardiffIrish2]

It still goes on except today except there are diffent targets nowadays, and ironically you tend to support the establishment view of things. It's a real headscratcher isn't it

Well if we’re into generalising you support unequivocally every daft right wing cause there is out there, producing a Fox News link as truth like you’ve pulled Excalibur from the Stone.

Way to go off tangent by the way but nothing unusual there.

[Wales-Bales]

Well if we’re into generalising you support unequivocally every daft right wing cause there is out there, producing a Fox News link as truth like you’ve pulled Excalibur from the Stone.

Way to go off tangent by the way but nothing unusual there.

Just replying to your off-topic comments

I don't choose sources of information accordng to the political biases of the publisher, I look to see if the information is correct or not. Until you can get your head around this notion, you will continue to be led down the wrong path. Forget left-wing and right-wing, it's all nonsense. Think in terms of true or false, the source has no bearing on this outcome.

[life on mars]

I voted Labour (Yorkshire & The Humber) and I am definitely pro-Remain. I know a lot of others the same. I also know a lot of Labour voters (usually) who went Green, and I suspect some of them won't come back to Labour.

Overall this feels like the last warning shot before the electoral map is torn up. The turnout was down - so just over a third of voters bothered (unlike the rest of Europe) and the outcome is massively affected by abstentions and tactical votes. In some ways it was like a free shot. But at the same time Labour and (even more so) the Tories have been hammered - partly because of what they have done or not done in the last 3 years but mainly because they are as split as the electorate as a whole. I don't see this election as a template for a general election, but the 2 party system may not recover.

In Wales a good number of Labour voted leave .

And its the same in other Labour heartlands, like the Sunderlands of this world , where it differs for labour , is the bigger cities.