That is my point. It’s a vile word, and no matter it’s history, it should be stamped on every time it’s used, by anyone of any colour.Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
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That is my point. It’s a vile word, and no matter it’s history, it should be stamped on every time it’s used, by anyone of any colour.
Even though there's a history of reclaimed words making the original offensive remark lose it's power? It's up for debate sure but I don't think saying "black folk should stop saying it" is the way to put the argument across.
You seem to accept the word being used by black folk, because of “history and context”, when in reality, it’s like hundreds of other racist and derogatory words and term that are vile, disgusting and outdated, and no matter it’s original origin, should be condemned to the bin.
But what about words like queer and Yid that were reclaimed and stopped being offensive?
It would be better if it wasn’t being used at all but the fact it’s still constantly being used by racists means there’s more power in black people saying it than not.
Yid has not been reclaimed. It is offensive.
Also, just don't say the n word. It isn't hard, it isn't something that is in my daily usage. If black people want to say it, then let them.
Do people go through life wanting to be offensive to people? I never get what's so hard about this and why a lot of people find it so outrageous they can't say offensive things to people with no consequences.
I wouldn't call someone fat or ugly and if I did I'd expect consequences.
Were there any consequences when you said that I must have mental health issues and paranoia? and that I'm ruining this forum? I doubt it, there are many ways to make people feel like shit about themselves.
Yes you calling me out on it now is the consequence of it. I shouldn't have said it you're right there are many ways to make people feel shit about themselves and I've definitely tried to stop saying anything personally negative about anyone.Were there any consequences when you said that I must have mental health issues and paranoia? and that I'm ruining this forum? I doubt it, there are many ways to make people feel like shit about themselves.
But that doesn't mean you let someone present batshit mental points without pointing out that the points are completely mad.
By the way I don't think I actually ever exaclty said you had "mental heath issues and paranoia"
So, is it okay to keep on calling them Leyton Orient?
This seems a fair summary of how "oriental" should be used to me, but I daresay some will find a problem with it;-
https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...?term=oriental
I don’t agree with your logic at all. To me, words like Queer and yid still sound offensive, and no matter how many times they get “reclaimed”, they always will.
Racism has been around since time began. Bourne of ignorance and fear of something that’s different.
We have made greAt strides in trying to educate people that it’s wrong, but it will never get eradicated from society completely.
All we can do is carry on trying to educate folk about how pathetic racism really is and condemn as many racist words and terms to the dustbin.
Do you think it would be acceptable in today’s society for disabled folk to go around describing themselves and other other disabled folk as Spastics? It wouldn’t. It’s another vile word and term that needs to remain buried, and not “reclaimed”.
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I’m saying anyone of any colour should stop using it.
I agree that would be great, but racists are never going to stop using it.
But plenty of disabled people do use terms like that to describe themselves. That’s why context is important. Do you find all forms of self deprecation to be bad?
Loads of gay people use queer, it would still be offensive to use it as an insult by someone else.
That’s where “context” can become a minefield.
The sad fact is, that people have had to start using the very words that so offend them, in order to build up a barricade to go through their lives.
It’s the very same reason, we sing “1 nil to the sheep shaggers”. We are degrading ourselves, before other people get the chance.
It’s just my opinion, but all racist words and terms should not be used at all by anyone, including the folk they are aimed at.
It might look like I’m looking for a utopia, but it’s the only way to keep fighting racism and bullying, not to succumb and use these terms just in order to be accepted.
Seriously, who actually cares? Just don't say the words. If it's questionable, use something else. If you're black, you can't say that. If you're not gay, don't say any homophobic slurs. If you're not Jewish, don't say anti semitic stuff.
From one sheep shagger to another, I have to say you are spot on
Hebrew speakers constitute 1% of Semites. The vast majority of Semites are Arabs who speak Arabic.
Even though Arabs and Jews can be Semites, the term anti-Semitic refers specifically to Jewish people.
I agree, but I think if the racists aren’t going to stop using the terms it’s a bit of a dangerous game to see that people being abused shouldn’t use them.
I agree. But leave the vile words and terms to the racists. There will always be pig ignorant, thick as shit racists around.
They need to be outed and ostracised, not things made easier for them.
Who or what is making it easier for them? There will always be racists. Our next PM is a racist, for starters.
Well I care for one. If you go back to your 1st reply to my 1st post in this thread, you appear to have got me all wrong.
I just felt I needed to explain my feelings on the topic a bit clearer. 👍
The victims of racism and bullying are making it easier, by using those very same words and terms to insult themselves..
As for our next PM being a racist. Then he needs to be called out on it constantly and at every opportunity.
Most people are aware, they just don't care because he's a Tory.
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