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    #Equal Play Equal Pay

    Anybody know the economics of this regarding the revenue generated by both World Cup tournaments?

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    According to BBC commercial rights are sold as a package with other men’s competitions so can’t be isolated in that way.

    FIFA awarded over 10 times the prize money to men’s world cup compared to women’s.

    Players are paid by their national associations so pay comparisons vary. In a couple of countries (NZ and Norway) men and women are paid the same when representing their country.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-48530498

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Lovely ladies deserve my equality

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baloo View Post
    According to BBC commercial rights are sold as a package with other men’s competitions so can’t be isolated in that way.

    FIFA awarded over 10 times the prize money to men’s world cup compared to women’s.

    Players are paid by their national associations so pay comparisons vary. In a couple of countries (NZ and Norway) men and women are paid the same when representing their country.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-48530498
    Maybe they should separate them and pay each group their true worth, or do you think there is some benefit in keeping them together?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Maybe they should separate them and pay each group their true worth, or do you think there is some benefit in keeping them together?
    After decades of actively suppressing women's football, the authorities should give them more funding so they can grow the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
    After decades of actively suppressing women's football, the authorities should give them more funding so they can grow the game.
    So they should implement a subsidised renumeration model, instead of allowing market forces to determine the pay levels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    So they should implement a subsidised renumeration model, instead of allowing market forces to determine the pay levels?
    If it grows the sport, makes it more popular and makes it a more viable business in the long run why not fund it?

    Over 11 million watched the england semi final, the interest is there why not capatalise on it.

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    Revenue Disparity Explains Pay Disparity Between Soccer World Cup's Men And Women

    $131 Million v $6 Billion

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeoza...-is-justified/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Revenue Disparity Explains Pay Disparity Between Soccer World Cup's Men And Women

    $131 Million v $6 Billion

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeoza...-is-justified/
    Explained in 3 paragraphs

    Plus isn't the pay gap talking about the wages rather than just during the world cup?

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/19/us-w...than-mens.html

    Plus the men's prize money for winning the world cup percentage wise of overall income is higher than the women's is too.

    Seems a bit simplistic to reduce it to what he has. Especially when ignoring how popular the women's game could become with decent investment and decent wages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Revenue Disparity Explains Pay Disparity Between Soccer World Cup's Men And Women

    $131 Million v $6 Billion

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeoza...-is-justified/
    Surely this is an approximation as the sponsorship is split between both tournaments? There's no facts or references to where their figures come from. Either way, the governing bodies actively stopped women from playing so they should get more money than they earn to grow the game, which in turn will make more money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    So they should implement a subsidised renumeration model, instead of allowing market forces to determine the pay levels?
    What's wrong with investing in something that could have growth potential, but isn't realised without some investment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    What's wrong with investing in something that could have growth potential, but isn't realised without some investment?
    Because the people receiving money don't have penises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    What's wrong with investing in something that could have growth potential, but isn't realised without some investment?
    I think they are demanding a lot of money before there is any growth. The men's prize money is $400m from a turnover of 6 Billion, while the turnover of the woman's world cup is only $131m.

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    How much are they demanding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    How much are they demanding?
    Equal pay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Equal pay.
    Equal with who and how much is that?

    Why do you think they shouldn’t get equal pay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    I think they are demanding a lot of money before there is any growth. The men's prize money is $400m from a turnover of 6 Billion, while the turnover of the woman's world cup is only $131m.
    Correction: The men's prize money is $440m from a turnover of 6 Billion. So the women want to be paid $440m from a turnover of $131m.

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    Is it correct that the USA womens team generate more revenue than the USA mens team?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    Equal with who and how much is that?

    Why do you think they shouldn’t get equal pay?
    I'm getting the feeling that economics is not your strong point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Correction: The men's prize money is $440m from a turnover of 6 Billion. So the women want to be paid $440m from a turnover of $131m.
    How do you know the turnover is $131m when they don't split the advertising and TV revenue?

    In the US, especially, it's probable that the women generate more income than the men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    I'm getting the feeling that economics is not your strong point.
    I get the feeling you’ve chosen a position without knowing any of the facts again and that’s why you can’t answer the question.

    The equal pay equal play campaign and litigation that is currently ongoing is related to the wages the US national team players are played of which the USWNT brings in slightly more revenue.

    The World Cup prize money has been discussed because percentage wise the men get a bigger cut but that’s not what the court case and campaign are about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
    How do you know the turnover is $131m when they don't split the advertising and TV revenue?

    In the US, especially, it's probable that the women generate more income than the men.
    That's the figure Forbes are reporting, you'd better take it up with them if you have any issues with it.

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    The Wall Street Journal reports that from 2016 to 2018, U.S. women's games generated about $50.8 million in revenue, compared with $49.9 million for men's games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    I get the feeling you’ve chosen a position without knowing any of the facts again and that’s why you can’t answer the question.

    The equal pay equal play campaign and litigation that is currently ongoing is related to the wages the US national team players are played of which the USWNT brings in slightly more revenue.

    The World Cup prize money has been discussed because percentage wise the men get a bigger cut but that’s not what the court case and campaign are about.
    News today that France earned $38 million from FIFA for winning soccer's World Cup in Russia, while the women's champion in France this summer will earn just $4 million, has prompted outrage.

    The total prize money for the Women's World Cup in France this July will be $30 million compared with total prize money of $440 million for the men's teams at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar.

    “The difference between the men’s and women’s prize money is ridiculous,” Tatjana Haenni, who oversaw women’s soccer for FIFA before stepping down in 2017, said, according to the Associated Press. “It’s really disappointing the gap between the men’s and women’s World Cups got bigger. It sends the wrong message.”

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