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[IanD]

Its never returned to pre-referendum levels

Agreed. Market rate about 1.34 to the £ before the referendum. Rarely above 1.2 since. Tourist rate heading for £/€ parity = expensive Eurozone holidays.

[Des Parrot]

Agreed. Market rate about 1.34 to the £ before the referendum. Rarely above 1.2 since. Tourist rate heading for £/€ parity = expensive Eurozone holidays.

Indeed, we've had to write down £26million in component stock value over the last 30 months, as well as making 150 people redundant.

[J R Hartley]

Indeed, we've had to write down £26million in component stock value over the last 30 months, as well as making 150 people redundant.

A small price to pay for our Sovereignty

[az city]

You think people losing their jobs is a "small price to pay"?

That's an awful opinion. I bet you wouldn't hold it if it was your job. Have some humanity.

Why don't the Brexiters offer to compensate the losers from leaving the EU if they're so convinced it's worth it? Anyone who voted for it should have to contribute towards a compensation fund for the rest of the subjects.

[B. Oddie]

Agreed. Market rate about 1.34 to the £ before the referendum. Rarely above 1.2 since. Tourist rate heading for £/€ parity = expensive Eurozone holidays.

I was in Malta when the result was announced and I'm pretty sure the rate was slightly higher than 1.34. 1.39 possibly.

[The Gifaffe]

Agreed. Market rate about 1.34 to the £ before the referendum. Rarely above 1.2 since. Tourist rate heading for £/€ parity = expensive Eurozone holidays.

Sounds like less people going to want to go abroad so staying in this country putting their money into the British economy rather than the Euro abyss.

Also encourages tourism into Britain bringing in Euros/Dollar/Yen etc.

Also makes British manufactured goods more attractive to foreign buyers boosting exports and making imports more expensive encouraging companies to source goods in this country.

Seems like a decent upside to me.

[lardy]

Sounds like less people going to want to go abroad so staying in this country putting their money into the British economy rather than the Euro abyss.

Also encourages tourism into Britain bringing in Euros/Dollar/Yen etc.

Also makes British manufactured goods more attractive to foreign buyers boosting exports and making imports more expensive encouraging companies to source goods in this country.

Seems like a decent upside to me.

How long will all that take to filter down to our level?

Those are positives but a weak currency is not desirable overall.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Sounds like less people going to want to go abroad so staying in this country putting their money into the British economy rather than the Euro abyss.

Also encourages tourism into Britain bringing in Euros/Dollar/Yen etc.

Also makes British manufactured goods more attractive to foreign buyers boosting exports and making imports more expensive encouraging companies to source goods in this country.

Seems like a decent upside to me.

Why would you want to go to Barcelona when you can go to sunny Skegness?

We also have to actually make stuff for any of this to work. We don't.

[RonnieBird]

Why would you want to go to Barcelona when you can go to sunny Skegness?

We also have to actually make stuff for any of this to work. We don't.

Well that's the idea.
The EU effectively allocated economic activity in different member countries in order to make it difficult for any one country to manage on its own.

Germany got the engineering, France got agriculture and we're supposed to cut each other's hair and deliver pizzas to each other.

We've lost the confidence and ability to do a lot of stuff during the EU period, but it can soon return. What can immediately happen is that Agriculture and the fishing industries can flourish without the constraints of EU policies, as will the secondary economic activities around them.

Let's not forget that our own home market for goods is a considerable one and the sooner we re establish manufacturing the sooner we can profit from that, and at the same time slow the outward flow of money from our economy.

The very first thing we should do after leaving is to encourage people to buy British and help British industry to fulfill that demand.
If the German led power bloc known as the EU want to exclude themselves from a marketplace of sixty million people in their latest historical attempt to dominate Europe , well then so be it, and we must exploit that market place.

Our current politicians are weak and unused to the running of an independent nation so they doubt their ability to do so, and conversely the Germans have forgotten apparently that we might occasionally fail to cringe before their attempts to bully us into submission.

[Croesy Blue]

Well that's the idea.
The EU effectively allocated economic activity in different member countries in order to make it difficult for any one country to manage on its own.

Germany got the engineering, France got agriculture and we're supposed to cut each other's hair and deliver pizzas to each other.

We've lost the confidence and ability to do a lot of stuff during the EU period, but it can soon return. What can immediately happen is that Agriculture and the fishing industries can flourish without the constraints of EU policies, as will the secondary economic activities around them.

Let's not forget that our own home market for goods is a considerable one and the sooner we re establish manufacturing the sooner we can profit from that, and at the same time slow the outward flow of money from our economy.

The very first thing we should do after leaving is to encourage people to buy British and help British industry to fulfill that demand.
If the German led power bloc known as the EU want to exclude themselves from a marketplace of sixty million people in their latest historical attempt to dominate Europe , well then so be it, and we must exploit that market place.

Our current politicians are weak and unused to the running of an independent nation so they doubt their ability to do so, and conversely the Germans have forgotten apparently that we might occasionally fail to cringe before their attempts to bully us into submission.

[lardy]

Well that's the idea.
The EU effectively allocated economic activity in different member countries in order to make it difficult for any one country to manage on its own.

Germany got the engineering, France got agriculture and we're supposed to cut each other's hair and deliver pizzas to each other.

We've lost the confidence and ability to do a lot of stuff during the EU period, but it can soon return. What can immediately happen is that Agriculture and the fishing industries can flourish without the constraints of EU policies, as will the secondary economic activities around them.

Let's not forget that our own home market for goods is a considerable one and the sooner we re establish manufacturing the sooner we can profit from that, and at the same time slow the outward flow of money from our economy.

The very first thing we should do after leaving is to encourage people to buy British and help British industry to fulfill that demand.
If the German led power bloc known as the EU want to exclude themselves from a marketplace of sixty million people in their latest historical attempt to dominate Europe , well then so be it, and we must exploit that market place.

Our current politicians are weak and unused to the running of an independent nation so they doubt their ability to do so, and conversely the Germans have forgotten apparently that we might occasionally fail to cringe before their attempts to bully us into submission.

So where are all the factories and infrastructure going to pop up from on November 1st?

Why did manufacturing etc leave our shores? I'm not so sure it was part of an EU master plan, more that other countries (and not EU countries) made stuff cheaper and consumers like cheaper things.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

So where are all the factories and infrastructure going to pop up from on November 1st?

Why did manufacturing etc leave our shores? I'm not so sure it was part of an EU master plan, more that other countries (and not EU countries) made stuff cheaper and consumers like cheaper things.

It's often reported the EU didn't ban Chinese steel, which is correct. However, 26 of the 27 countries voted to ban it, only 1 vetoed and that was that. It was us.

[severncity]

So where are all the factories and infrastructure going to pop up from on November 1st?

Why did manufacturing etc leave our shores? I'm not so sure it was part of an EU master plan, more that other countries (and not EU countries) made stuff cheaper and consumers like cheaper things.

The number of people employed in manufacturing in the U.K. is at its highest level since September 2008.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=/emp...a01jun2019.xls

Click on tab 6 and the numbers employed in each sector are tabulated.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

The number of people employed in manufacturing in the U.K. is at its highest level since September 2008.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=/emp...a01jun2019.xls

Click on tab 6 and the numbers employed in each sector are tabulated.

In 1978, we made stuff. Nearly 7m out of a 42m working population were in manufacturing.

In 2019, 2.7m out of a 53m working population were in manufacturing.

We make a lot less than we used to.

[lardy]

The number of people employed in manufacturing in the U.K. is at its highest level since September 2008.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=/emp...a01jun2019.xls

Click on tab 6 and the numbers employed in each sector are tabulated.

It's now about 7% of jobs. In 2008 it was 10% of jobs. How much bigger will it have to become, and how quickly, for us to start fending for ourselves and buying British?


It's nearly the 2020s. We have to start thinking of the world in the 2020s and not how it was in the past. The days of countries manufacturing all their own stuff are gone. If we try it we'll get destroyed by the countries who have hundreds of millions of low paid workers. It really doesn't matter if we like the way the world is, or if we close our eyes and Back Britain with all our might. I daresay the majority of workers in the 18th century didn't like the Industrial Revolution and wanted to go back to living on their farm with their family and not in a dirty smelly tiny house while working 14 hours in a dirty smelly massive factory, but the world changed and you either change too or get left behind.

[RonnieBird]

So where are all the factories and infrastructure going to pop up from on November 1st?

Why did manufacturing etc leave our shores? I'm not so sure it was part of an EU master plan, more that other countries (and not EU countries) made stuff cheaper and consumers like cheaper things.

Well of course they're not going to pop up on November first in time for bonfire night or anything. Whenever we do anything worthwhile in life there's going to be a bit of disruption from the norm and initial inconvenience, but the snags of a transition back into a manufacturing economy are worth it.

As far as your question about the decline of manufacturing is concerned, well that's a very big subject and largely to do with globalism. Now, globalism is intricately connected to the EU, and the EU is the most advanced globalist excersise so far, but for the purpose of the current duscussion I think we must separate it from the issue of Brexit or we'll get very mixed up !
Suffice it to say here that Globalism is the real enemy and that the EU is not only an important bastion of globalism, but the specific one which is stifling our own economy and nation - therefore it is the one which we must overcome first.

I think the problem is that younger people have no adult memory of British sovereignty and so they are naturally wary of the unfamiliar and unknown. The truth is, though, that they'd soon see the advantages of Brexit in the real world and be freed of a lot of restrictions to their lives which they don't yearn for because they've never had them.

You can trust me on this because this is my third posting on this forum and so by now you've had plenty of time to get to know me !

[Pedro de la Rosa]

I think the problem is that younger people have no adult memory of British sovereignty and so they are naturally wary of the unfamiliar and unknown. The truth is, though, that they'd soon see the advantages of Brexit in the real world and be freed of a lot of restrictions to their lives which they don't yearn for because they've never had them.

What are laws have we had that were foisted upon us?

[City123]

Well that's the idea.
The EU effectively allocated economic activity in different member countries in order to make it difficult for any one country to manage on its own.

Germany got the engineering, France got agriculture and we're supposed to cut each other's hair and deliver pizzas to each other.

We've lost the confidence and ability to do a lot of stuff during the EU period, but it can soon return. What can immediately happen is that Agriculture and the fishing industries can flourish without the constraints of EU policies, as will the secondary economic activities around them.

Let's not forget that our own home market for goods is a considerable one and the sooner we re establish manufacturing the sooner we can profit from that, and at the same time slow the outward flow of money from our economy.

The very first thing we should do after leaving is to encourage people to buy British and help British industry to fulfill that demand.
If the German led power bloc known as the EU want to exclude themselves from a marketplace of sixty million people in their latest historical attempt to dominate Europe , well then so be it, and we must exploit that market place.

Our current politicians are weak and unused to the running of an independent nation so they doubt their ability to do so, and conversely the Germans have forgotten apparently that we might occasionally fail to cringe before their attempts to bully us into submission.

Shut the messageboard down, its peaked, its never getting better than this

[Wales-Bales]

Why would you want to go to Barcelona when you can go to sunny Skegness?

We also have to actually make stuff for any of this to work. We don't.

I'd rather go to Chelsea, now that they've got a proper manager

[Croesy Blue]

Sounds like less people going to want to go abroad so staying in this country putting their money into the British economy rather than the Euro abyss.

Also encourages tourism into Britain bringing in Euros/Dollar/Yen etc.

Also makes British manufactured goods more attractive to foreign buyers boosting exports and making imports more expensive encouraging companies to source goods in this country.

Seems like a decent upside to me.