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    Bananas

    Do you like them bent or straight?

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    Re: Bananas

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Do you like them bent or straight?
    What happened to Bananaman?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Do you like them bent or straight?
    It doesn't matter what we say or think, big brother decides these matters along with chocolate and Jaffa's


    Commission Regulation (EC) No. 2257/94 of 16 September 1994 laying down quality standards for bananas, sometimes referred to in the media as the bendy banana law, is a European Union regulation specifying classification standards for bananas, which took effect on 1 January 1995.
    Amended by: Commission Regulation (EC) No. ...
    Came into force: 1995-01-01
    Date made: 1994 16 September
    Commission Regulation (EC) No. 2257/94 - Wikipedia


    And Jaffa's
    The product's classification as a cake or biscuit was part of a VAT tribunal in 1991, with the court finding in McVitie's favour that the Jaffa cake should be considered a cake for tax purposes. In 2012 they were ranked the best selling cake or biscuit in the United Kingdom.


    EU bureaucrats might not consider British chocolate the real thing – they want to rename it 'vegelate' or 'milk chocolate with a high milk content'

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    It doesn't matter what we say or think, big brother decides these matters along with chocolate and Jaffa's


    Commission Regulation (EC) No. 2257/94 of 16 September 1994 laying down quality standards for bananas, sometimes referred to in the media as the bendy banana law, is a European Union regulation specifying classification standards for bananas, which took effect on 1 January 1995.
    Amended by: Commission Regulation (EC) No. ...
    Came into force: 1995-01-01
    Date made: 1994 16 September
    Commission Regulation (EC) No. 2257/94 - Wikipedia


    And Jaffa's
    The product's classification as a cake or biscuit was part of a VAT tribunal in 1991, with the court finding in McVitie's favour that the Jaffa cake should be considered a cake for tax purposes. In 2012 they were ranked the best selling cake or biscuit in the United Kingdom.


    EU bureaucrats might not consider British chocolate the real thing – they want to rename it 'vegelate' or 'milk chocolate with a high milk content'

    I'm trying not to post on anything except football at the moment because if I do I get trolled by wierdos who think I'm Wales Bales, but I must say that this is interesting because the QI programme, which is another example of the BBC using light entertainment as a propoganda weapon , did a whole feature about how the banana rule doesn't exist according to fat boy cheque fraud Fry and his smirking assistants .

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    I'm trying not to post on anything except football at the moment because if I do I get trolled by wierdos who think I'm Wales Bales, but I must say that this is interesting because the QI programme, which is another example of the BBC using light entertainment as a propoganda weapon , did a whole feature about how the banana rule doesn't exist according to fat boy cheque fraud Fry and his smirking assistants .
    The "rule" that everyone thinks is the regulation doesn't actually exist though... that's the myth!

    life on mars has just stated that there's a regulation about the quality of bananas which has been referred to as the 'bendy banana law' (which it is referred to as, due to the fact that a lot of people think that it's a ban on bendy bananas - which it obviously isn't).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    The "rule" that everyone thinks is the regulation doesn't actually exist though... that's the myth!

    life on mars has just stated that there's a regulation about the quality of bananas which has been referred to as the 'bendy banana law' (which it is referred to as, due to the fact that a lot of people think that it's a ban on bendy bananas - which it obviously isn't).
    Fun though .

    Those evil federalists, should leave our bendy ,chocolate jaffa , bananas alone .

    Come on Boris save our Bananas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    The "rule" that everyone thinks is the regulation doesn't actually exist though... that's the myth!

    life on mars has just stated that there's a regulation about the quality of bananas which has been referred to as the 'bendy banana law' (which it is referred to as, due to the fact that a lot of people think that it's a ban on bendy bananas - which it obviously isn't).


    Well, given the contraversy, I've just looked it up ,and it most definitely does exist , including a clause that they must not be bent at an unacceptable angle .
    I'm far more concerned myself with the EU deals to buy crappy South and central bananas which lost thousands of jobs in South Wales and Essex as well as shutting down the economy in Jamaica and other former colonies which supported us when we were at war with the countries leading the EU.
    I'd love to see these industries and jobs restored by Brexit , but I'm straying into politics and that'll get me trolled.

    In any case, as far as I can establish the said rule / regulation does exist , so I'm interested why you think it doesn't .

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    Well, given the contraversy, I've just looked it up ,and it most definitely does exist , including a clause that they must not be bent at an unacceptable angle .
    I'm far more concerned myself with the EU deals to buy crappy South and central bananas which lost thousands of jobs in South Wales and Essex as well as shutting down the economy in Jamaica and other former colonies which supported us when we were at war with the countries leading the EU.
    I'd love to see these industries and jobs restored by Brexit , but I'm straying into politics and that'll get me trolled.

    In any case, as far as I can establish the said rule / regulation does exist , so I'm interested why you think it doesn't .
    'Bananas have always been classified by quality and size for international trade. Because the standards, set by individual governments and the industry, were confusing, the European Commission was asked to draw up new rules.

    Commission regulation 2257/94 decreed that bananas in general should be “free from malformation or abnormal curvature”. Those sold as “extra class” must be perfect, “class 1” can have “slight defects of shape” and “class 2” can have full-scale “defects of shape”.

    Nothing is banned under the regulation, which sets grading rules requested by industry to make sure importers – including UK wholesalers and supermarkets – know exactly what they will be getting when they order a box of bananas.'

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...us-in-cornwall

    Hope that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    'Bananas have always been classified by quality and size for international trade. Because the standards, set by individual governments and the industry, were confusing, the European Commission was asked to draw up new rules.

    Commission regulation 2257/94 decreed that bananas in general should be “free from malformation or abnormal curvature”. Those sold as “extra class” must be perfect, “class 1” can have “slight defects of shape” and “class 2” can have full-scale “defects of shape”.

    Nothing is banned under the regulation, which sets grading rules requested by industry to make sure importers – including UK wholesalers and supermarkets – know exactly what they will be getting when they order a box of bananas.'

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...us-in-cornwall

    Hope that helps.


    Well, whilst that's most informative, you've explained why you think the regulation is necessary, which is fair enough, except that it wasn't quite what I asked, was it ?

    You originally said that the regulation didn't exist, but it does so I asked you why you thought it didn't .

    It's not a huge point. As I said earlier, I'm far more concerned by the EU regulations putting Britain and Jamaica at a disadvantage in terms of jobs and the economy , ( and quality too incidentally) , than I am by the quality control measures in force.

    Actually though, such matters used to be settled between growers , shippers, retailers and customers rather than employing battalions of clerks to define and enforce the quality of products. As long as they're of sufficient quality to be safe for human consumption, the quality of the product will set the price and vice versa.

    It's quite typical of that organisation to want to unnecessarily involve itself and its publicly funded employees in matters which they have no need to, nor business to interfere with .

    By the way, you seemed a bit annoyed in your last reply, but I'm not trying to be nasty or anything - just stating an opinion which you're perfectly welcome to disagree with, and which I shall respect whether or not it coincides with my own.

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    Re: Bananas

    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    Well, whilst that's most informative, you've explained why you think the regulation is necessary, which is fair enough, except that it wasn't quite what I asked, was it ?

    You originally said that the regulation didn't exist, but it does so I asked you why you thought it didn't .

    It's not a huge point. As I said earlier, I'm far more concerned by the EU regulations putting Britain and Jamaica at a disadvantage in terms of jobs and the economy , ( and quality too incidentally) , than I am by the quality control measures in force.

    Actually though, such matters used to be settled between growers , shippers, retailers and customers rather than employing battalions of clerks to define and enforce the quality of products. As long as they're of sufficient quality to be safe for human consumption, the quality of the product will set the price and vice versa.

    It's quite typical of that organisation to want to unnecessarily involve itself and its publicly funded employees in matters which they have no need to, nor business to interfere with .

    By the way, you seemed a bit annoyed in your last reply, but I'm not trying to be nasty or anything - just stating an opinion which you're perfectly welcome to disagree with, and which I shall respect whether or not it coincides with my own.

    Wasn't this in response to requests to define standards from the industry and national agriculture/farming ministers?

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    "You originally said that the regulation didn't exist, but it does so I asked you why you thought it didn't ."

    No, he originally said the regulation doesn't exist in the way that many people think it does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    "You originally said that the regulation didn't exist, but it does so I asked you why you thought it didn't ."

    No, he originally said the regulation doesn't exist in the way that many people think it does.

    He said,
    "The "rule" that everyone thinks is the regulation doesn't actually exist though... that's the myth!"

    - matters not. Nothing worth arguing about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    Wasn't this in response to requests to define standards from the industry and national agriculture/farming ministers?


    Well it may well have been, but they too are part of this insatiable State / EU monster which seeks to insert itself into every corner of human activity and commerce so that it gets a share of everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    Well it may well have been, but they too are part of this insatiable State / EU monster which seeks to insert itself into every corner of human activity and commerce so that it gets a share of everything.
    True socialism

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    Here's secret video of the EU Banana Committee working out the rules

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    Well, given the contraversy, I've just looked it up ,and it most definitely does exist , including a clause that they must not be bent at an unacceptable angle .
    I'm far more concerned myself with the EU deals to buy crappy South and central bananas which lost thousands of jobs in South Wales and Essex as well as shutting down the economy in Jamaica and other former colonies which supported us when we were at war with the countries leading the EU.
    I'd love to see these industries and jobs restored by Brexit , but I'm straying into politics and that'll get me trolled.

    In any case, as far as I can establish the said rule / regulation does exist , so I'm interested why you think it doesn't .
    oh dear dont upset them ,you end up being accused of being a Boris fan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    True socialism
    Nanny state I remember the old Blair /Brown axis being labeled that by the evil Tories , but to be fair it was nowhere as mad as the federal bureau of Europe rulings , isn't the modern Labour party anti federalists ???? , I cant keep up with the revolving door ,or whcih fence there on ?

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    Well none of them have much to do with the ideas which their parties used to be committed to.
    The two sides now are those who support globalism versus those who want to retain more traditional values of nationhood , individual freedoms and competitive economies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    I'm trying not to post on anything except football at the moment because if I do I get trolled by wierdos who think I'm Wales Bales, but I must say that this is interesting because the QI programme, which is another example of the BBC using light entertainment as a propoganda weapon , did a whole feature about how the banana rule doesn't exist according to fat boy cheque fraud Fry and his smirking assistants .
    ronniebird posting in wales bales thread shock

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    Nutcase stalking troll making false allegation of dual identity - shock !

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    Nutcase stalking troll making false allegation of dual identity - shock !
    There's very few standalone single identities left , don' t let them drag you down , they have identities everywhere, that even disagree with each other .

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    Well, whilst that's most informative, you've explained why you think the regulation is necessary, which is fair enough, except that it wasn't quite what I asked, was it ?

    You originally said that the regulation didn't exist, but it does so I asked you why you thought it didn't .

    It's not a huge point. As I said earlier, I'm far more concerned by the EU regulations putting Britain and Jamaica at a disadvantage in terms of jobs and the economy , ( and quality too incidentally) , than I am by the quality control measures in force.

    Actually though, such matters used to be settled between growers , shippers, retailers and customers rather than employing battalions of clerks to define and enforce the quality of products. As long as they're of sufficient quality to be safe for human consumption, the quality of the product will set the price and vice versa.

    It's quite typical of that organisation to want to unnecessarily involve itself and its publicly funded employees in matters which they have no need to, nor business to interfere with .

    By the way, you seemed a bit annoyed in your last reply, but I'm not trying to be nasty or anything - just stating an opinion which you're perfectly welcome to disagree with, and which I shall respect whether or not it coincides with my own.
    Have you always been concerned about Jamaica or is this a recent thing?

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    Of course I've always been concerned about Jamaica as well as other many countries with a long historical connection with ours, but whose economies don't get the boost from British trade which they deserve, and which also benefit us.

    I'd have to say specifically that anyone connected with South Wales who wasn't both knowledgeable and concerned about trade with the West Indies isn't well informed , since it was a huge part of the local economy and employment for decades. Obviously though, I mention Jamaica here specifically because the subject is bananas, and the banana trade was a big part of the trade between South Wales and the Commonwealth. Had it been oil, I'd have spoken of Trinidad, which I've also always been concerned about.

    Of course I'm primarily concerned with the interests of the U.K, but where it's possible to benefit other countries in the course of trade and exchange we should put that in the direction of people who have been loyal friends in the past rather than those who have historically tried to invade and enslave us .

    If you've been to the West Indies, you'll be aware that society there is still very British "themed" and they are very hurt that we've turned to our common former enemies as preferential trading partners.

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    What part of East Anglia are you from? I only ask as you seem to have such a rudimentary grasp of agricultural trade and particularly the causes of the demise of Jamaican (and more generally ACP banana production and exports) that perhaps you come from a more urban part of that wonderful region?

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    No, I'm in a very rural location and although I'm retired now I did used to own a fairly big farm, so I must have been very lucky to get away with my poor knowledge of agriculture.
    I must say that I've never grown bananas - very few people seem to round here actually, even in the rural parts.
    Perhaps you could explain where I'm going wrong in my thinking

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    No, I'm in a very rural location and although I'm retired now I did used to own a fairly big farm, so I must have been very lucky to get away with my poor knowledge of agriculture.
    I must say that I've never grown bananas - very few people seem to round here actually, even in the rural parts.
    Perhaps you could explain where I'm going wrong in my thinking
    No problem. The EU had an agreement with its former colonial countries that allowed preferential trade into the EU. This was called the Lome Agreement. The US (under lobbying pressure from Chiquita who grow no bananas in the US but have extensive interests in Latin America) challenged Lome at the WTO and won. The EU responded by trying its best to defend the African Caribbean Pacific Countries most effected but the US challenged again and won. The EU had to significantly revise its banana regime as a consequence. The cheaper dollar banana from Latin America as a consequence of US pressure decimated the Caribbean industry in economies far more dependent than Jamaica such as the Windward Islands. The EU scrambled to install a regime that at least alleviated some of this damage that was WTO compatible whilst also brokering a compromise with the US. The Cotonou agreement that replaced Lome gives significant funding to the affected countries and their producers that tries to soften the impact of US commercial aggression. The key reason why (if you lived in South Wales) you won't see many Geest/Fyffes bananas landing in South Wales ports.

    What do yo farm in East Anglia by the way? I have a reasonable understanding of the agricultural sector in that area and how it operates that we can chat about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    No problem. The EU had an agreement with its former colonial countries that allowed preferential trade into the EU. This was called the Lome Agreement. The US (under lobbying pressure from Chiquita who grow no bananas in the US but have extensive interests in Latin America) challenged Lome at the WTO and won. The EU responded by trying its best to defend the African Caribbean Pacific Countries most effected but the US challenged again and won. The EU had to significantly revise its banana regime as a consequence. The cheaper dollar banana from Latin America as a consequence of US pressure decimated the Caribbean industry in economies far more dependent than Jamaica such as the Windward Islands. The EU scrambled to install a regime that at least alleviated some of this damage that was WTO compatible whilst also brokering a compromise with the US. The Cotonou agreement that replaced Lome gives significant funding to the affected countries and their producers that tries to soften the impact of US commercial aggression. The key reason why (if you lived in South Wales) you won't see many Geest/Fyffes bananas landing in South Wales ports.

    What do yo farm in East Anglia by the way? I have a reasonable understanding of the agricultural sector in that area and how it operates that we can chat about?
    Thinly veiled 'I don't believe you' post imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    Thinly veiled 'I don't believe you' post imo
    Interesting interjection on Ronnie's behalf. Still it might give him a bit of time to work out (sorry remember) what kind of holding he had and how much he was generating in agricultural subsidies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    Interesting interjection on Ronnie's behalf. Still it might give him a bit of time to work out (sorry remember) what kind of holding he had and how much he was generating in agricultural subsidies.
    Interesting take on a little joke that I would make to anyone on the forum

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    Interesting take on a little joke that I would make to anyone on the forum
    The last 25 seem to be almost exclusively on Farmer Ronnie's or WB posts but I take your point

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