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    Re: Bananas

    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    On WB's maybe but not Farmer Ronnie, although the one thread was about both of them so I dunno if that counts
    Yeah fair enough. I got so confused by this multiple id ying and yang and both Ronnie and WB offering to meet in Beddau with duelling laptops that when I decided to spend a bit more time here I thought the easiest way back in was to ignore some of the historical noise and just chat to Farmer Ronnie. Just have to see what crops (pun intended) up I suppose!

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    Re: Bananas

    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    Yeah fair enough. I got so confused by this multiple id ying and yang and both Ronnie and WB offering to meet in Beddau with duelling laptops that when I decided to spend a bit more time here I thought the easiest way back in was to ignore some of the historical noise and just chat to Farmer Ronnie. Just have to see what crops (pun intended) up I suppose!

    I'm always at work these days so I don't have time to read all the threads, I'm pretty sure I'm more confused than you

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    No, I'm in a very rural location and although I'm retired now I did used to own a fairly big farm, so I must have been very lucky to get away with my poor knowledge of agriculture.
    I must say that I've never grown bananas - very few people seem to round here actually, even in the rural parts.
    Perhaps you could explain where I'm going wrong in my thinking
    Anyway, Farmer Ronnie. Good to know that Defra's rural broadband initiative has given you the ability to seamlessly post even from a very rural location. Must admit I was pretty jealous when you said you used to own a fairly big farm in the most prosperous agricultural region of the UK. What were you growing? I have contacts with quite a few of the producer organisations in that neck of the woods so we might have more in common than a shared love for Cardiff City

  4. #34

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    No problem. The EU had an agreement with its former colonial countries that allowed preferential trade into the EU. This was called the Lome Agreement. The US (under lobbying pressure from Chiquita who grow no bananas in the US but have extensive interests in Latin America) challenged Lome at the WTO and won. The EU responded by trying its best to defend the African Caribbean Pacific Countries most effected but the US challenged again and won. The EU had to significantly revise its banana regime as a consequence. The cheaper dollar banana from Latin America as a consequence of US pressure decimated the Caribbean industry in economies far more dependent than Jamaica such as the Windward Islands. The EU scrambled to install a regime that at least alleviated some of this damage that was WTO compatible whilst also brokering a compromise with the US. The Cotonou agreement that replaced Lome gives significant funding to the affected countries and their producers that tries to soften the impact of US commercial aggression. The key reason why (if you lived in South Wales) you won't see many Geest/Fyffes bananas landing in South Wales ports.

    What do yo farm in East Anglia by the way? I have a reasonable understanding of the agricultural sector in that area and how it operates that we can chat about?


    In essence you agree then that leaving the EU would allow us to reinstate trade with Jamaica.
    As I said I'm retired so I don't farm anything any more. Since you appear so interested though I farmed cattle and other livestock in Scotland when I did farm. I saw few banana boats in either place , although I did see a lot of lorries from the South Wales and Bristol when I lived in Dunmow in Essex.

    I don't know why I'd want to chat about agriculture in East Anglia with you or vice Versa, but since you're trying to test me it's mainly corn and food crops with a high concentration of sugar beet and around the fens a lot of pumpkins recently. Most small farms here have been absorbed by firms like Pickavers so I don't know many small farmers and of course there's no reason why I should .

    I've no idea why so many people here are so paranoid and think everyone is lying and involving themselves in strange intricate conspiracies to mislead people they've never met and never will.

    It's getting very tiresome you know. Actually, the only reason I filled out the details on that profile was to discourage nutters from engaging in their peculiar counter intelligence games, but now it seems to have caused more trouble !

    What's wrong with you ? Is it so remarkable that someone lives in East Anglia and used to own a farm ? I've actually done other stuff too during my life and lived in a lot of places since I watched the Geest Bay and Geest Port shunting in and out of the docks down there.
    I might be wrong but I don't remember Fyfees coming in there at all.
    That was a long time ago though and it doesn't matter any more than your half arsed Sherlock Holmes interrogation. Please grow up.

  5. #35

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    Anyway, Farmer Ronnie. Good to know that Defra's rural broadband initiative has given you the ability to seamlessly post even from a very rural location. Must admit I was pretty jealous when you said you used to own a fairly big farm in the most prosperous agricultural region of the UK. What were you growing? I have contacts with quite a few of the producer organisations in that neck of the woods so we might have more in common than a shared love for Cardiff City

    It's East Anglia not Peru ! We've got electricity in a lot of places here now too.
    I know some people moan about their internet connections, which you've probably read somewhere about politicians promising broad band fibre connections ( whatever they are) to outlying areas , but most places here have most modern conveniences and certainly sufficient Internet connections for domestic purposes.
    There are numerous RAF and USAF bases here housing all the latest and most sophisticated weapons and systems and they control the drones which perform missions in Afganistan and the Mid East, so don't you think we've got phone lines, Sky , BT etc ?

  6. #36

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    Thinly veiled 'I don't believe you' post imo


    It's not even thinly veiled. It's plain bloody rude in fact.
    I posted back to him, but I'm perfectly on the level - I only reply to your post there because you seem to be a sane person !

  7. #37

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    In essence you agree then that leaving the EU would allow us to reinstate trade with Jamaica.
    As I said I'm retired so I don't farm anything any more. Since you appear so interested though I farmed cattle and other livestock in Scotland when I did farm. I saw few banana boats in either place , although I did see a lot of lorries from the South Wales and Bristol when I lived in Dunmow in Essex.

    I don't know why I'd want to chat about agriculture in East Anglia with you or vice Versa, but since you're trying to test me it's mainly corn and food crops with a high concentration of sugar beet and around the fens a lot of pumpkins recently. Most small farms here have been absorbed by firms like Pickavers so I don't know many small farmers and of course there's no reason why I should .

    I've no idea why so many people here are so paranoid and think everyone is lying and involving themselves in strange intricate conspiracies to mislead people they've never met and never will.

    It's getting very tiresome you know. Actually, the only reason I filled out the details on that profile was to discourage nutters from engaging in their peculiar counter intelligence games, but now it seems to have caused more trouble !

    What's wrong with you ? Is it so remarkable that someone lives in East Anglia and used to own a farm ? I've actually done other stuff too during my life and lived in a lot of places since I watched the Geest Bay and Geest Port shunting in and out of the docks down there.
    I might be wrong but I don't remember Fyfees coming in there at all.
    That was a long time ago though and it doesn't matter any more than your half arsed Sherlock Holmes interrogation. Please grow up.
    I don't know how you concluded that the Jamaican banana industry decimated by the US lobbying on behalf of the US company Chiquita would somehow rise from the ashes post hard Brexit but then again I guess there is quite a bit about agriculture you are still wrestling with.

    Still, I have a little familiarity with cattle (and other livestock industry) and regularly liaised with our devolved colleagues. Those animal id regulations must have been a real bind. I say as one who had some oversight for the regulatory regime.

    I fully understand your angst about people thinking you are a 6ft 4 inch white rabbit called Harvey who hangs around with Wales Bales. I just want to talk agriculture with you!

  8. #38

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    I only just noticed that I've never said anything about farming here, so mad Cyril must have been studying my profile to get hold of that. I think that says it all

  9. #39

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    No, I'm in a very rural location and although I'm retired now I did used to own a fairly big farm, so I must have been very lucky to get away with my poor knowledge of agriculture.
    I must say that I've never grown bananas - very few people seem to round here actually, even in the rural parts.
    Perhaps you could explain where I'm going wrong in my thinking
    Just realised I never said anything about farming

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    Re: Bananas

    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    It's not even thinly veiled. It's plain bloody rude in fact.
    I posted back to him, but I'm perfectly on the level - I only reply to your post there because you seem to be a sane person !
    Give it time

  11. #41

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    Give it time
    286 posts in and he hasn't sussed you yet

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    Re: Bananas

    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    286 posts in and he hasn't sussed you yet
    If he can think for himself maybe he will never think I'm a loon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    If he can think for himself maybe he will never think I'm a loon
    To be fair I am quite surprised that you had any involvement in a thread entitled "Bananas" but then again what do I know?

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    Re: Bananas

    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    To be fair I am quite surprised that you had any involvement in a thread entitled "Bananas" but then again what do I know?
    Not as much as you think you do?

  15. #45

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    Not as much as you think you do?
    That's why I'm waiting for Farmer Ronnie to fill in the gaps.

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    Re: Bananas

    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    That's why I'm waiting for Farmer Ronnie to fill in the gaps.
    The plot thickens...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    I don't know how you concluded that the Jamaican banana industry decimated by the US lobbying on behalf of the US company Chiquita would somehow rise from the ashes post hard Brexit but then again I guess there is quite a bit about agriculture you are still wrestling with.

    Still, I have a little familiarity with cattle (and other livestock industry) and regularly liaised with our devolved colleagues. Those animal id regulations must have been a real bind. I say as one who had some oversight for the regulatory regime.

    I fully understand your angst about people thinking you are a 6ft 4 inch white rabbit called Harvey who hangs around with Wales Bales. I just want to talk agriculture with you!
    Oh, you're a WB nutter are you ?
    For what it's worth I'm sure you know bugger all about farming, but I don't care. You're actually sitting there persisting with your stupid little theory that I'm WB and now you're trying to catch me out because you're determined that you couldn't have been wrong .
    Seriously, mate, if you think I'm WB or you think I'm a Martian I don't care.
    You've got to be some kind of nut case for it to even occur to you to start investigating people on a football message board .

    If you care for some reason read my profile. It's general for obvious reasons, but it's perfectly accurate and if you don't believe that I don't care.

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    Re: Bananas

    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    Oh, you're a WB nutter are you ?
    For what it's worth I'm sure you know bugger all about farming, but I don't care. You're actually sitting there persisting with your stupid little theory that I'm WB and now you're trying to catch me out because you're determined that you couldn't have been wrong .
    Seriously, mate, if you think I'm WB or you think I'm a Martian I don't care.
    You've got to be some kind of nut case for it to even occur to you to start investigating people on a football message board .

    If you care for some reason read my profile. It's general for obvious reasons, but it's perfectly accurate and if you don't believe that I don't care.
    I just read your profile, simply because you just mentioned it, hope that does not make me a WB nutter?

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    I worked at Cardiff Docks , and the only decent banana we imported was an Israeli one as was all their fruit in fact , which was all bonded away, its all about the quality.

    I once had relatives who had a farm and i'm not RB

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    I just read your profile, simply because you just mentioned it, hope that does not make me a WB nutter?

    No, not at all. That's what they're for.
    When I joined I left it blank but then a bunch of people who don't like WB started claiming I was him. You'll have seen that I reasoned with them and I filled in the profile really to make it obvious that wasn't the case.
    The reason I said he's a WB nutter is that he's trawled through that profile in order to pick up things, ( in this case the fact that I had a farm before I retired), then use them to try and catch me out. He won't because I've never lied here about myself ,WB or anything else.

    Re your own comments about whether your sane, well I expect you like a laugh etc but you equally don't seem fixated on a false idea that I'm WB and you don't troll me about that all the time

  21. #51

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    I worked at Cardiff Docks , and the only decent banana we imported was an Israeli one as was all their fruit in fact , which was all bonded away, its all about the quality.

    I once had relatives who had a farm and i'm not RB

    Careful, because that nutter used to work as a filing clerk at DEFRA and he knows everyone with farms. He can start phoning farmers up in different parts of the country asking whether anyone knows a farmer called Mr LifeonMars.

    He doesn't work there any more of course because he was using the office records to stalk people on message boards.

    If he did start phoning farmers up asking about their neighbours I wonder how many times a day he'd be told to **** off.

    On a serious note, Geest was based in the same place as Mrs Steve R rather than Cardiff, but that was many years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    No, not at all. That's what they're for.
    When I joined I left it blank but then a bunch of people who don't like WB started claiming I was him. You'll have seen that I reasoned with them and I filled in the profile really to make it obvious that wasn't the case.
    The reason I said he's a WB nutter is that he's trawled through that profile in order to pick up things, ( in this case the fact that I had a farm before I retired), then use them to try and catch me out. He won't because I've never lied here about myself ,WB or anything else.

    Re your own comments about whether your sane, well I expect you like a laugh etc but you equally don't seem fixated on a false idea that I'm WB and you don't troll me about that all the time
    I know you haven't been a board member for very long so it may come as a surprise to you that on a laptop part of your profile (the bit that says you live in East Anglia) loads for each message you post. You might be even more surprised to realise that it was your post #25 where you stated "No, I'm in a very rural location and although I'm retired now I did used to own a fairly big farm, so I must have been very lucky to get away with my poor knowledge of agriculture" rather than any trawling through your profile.

    You later clarified that the farm in question was not in East Anglia but a mixed livestock holding in Scotland. As someone with an interest and experience in agriculture, though more from policy rather than practical application I am happy to discuss your reflections, particularly in a thread called "Bananas".

    I am happy to give you the benefit of the doubt on your assertions that you are not Wales-Bales. It would take a massive lack of self-awareness to continue with the pretence of inventing a like-minded chum and keep that going for a few weeks, even going to the length of replying on your behalf from his account. Not that I think that is beyond him but it would be very sad even for him.

    Still you seem to have hit the ground running. Not that you care but I like others have WB on ignore to avoid my confusion more than anything!

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    Well that's fairly sensible and conciliatory so fair enough.
    I'd forgotten that I'd mentioned that in another conversation, but if you want to take anything from it, might I suggest consistency ?

    Farming to me means hard work and constant frustration since the subject arises and it's the last thing I want to chat about now I don't have to do it, particularly the form filling , grants and ear tagging parts. If you wanted to know about breeds of cattle or sheep or something that'd be different if I were in the right frame of mind, but not as part of an interrogation about whether I'm some big liar.

    Now, it's true to say that bananas are a kind of farming / agriculture and in fact I've seen the groves of trees in the West Indies, but it's not anything related to agriculture in this country so of course I know no more about growing them than you do. My comments upon the subject were from a political and economic point of view.

    Anyway, I'll take that post as being sensible and well meant , and in that spirit I thank you for it.

  24. #54

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    Careful, because that nutter used to work as a filing clerk at DEFRA and he knows everyone with farms. He can start phoning farmers up in different parts of the country asking whether anyone knows a farmer called Mr LifeonMars.

    He doesn't work there any more of course because he was using the office records to stalk people on message boards.

    If he did start phoning farmers up asking about their neighbours I wonder how many times a day he'd be told to **** off.

    On a serious note, Geest was based in the same place as Mrs Steve R rather than Cardiff, but that was many years ago.
    yes Geest were at Barry , but they had bonded warehouse facilities at queen Alexandra sheds and banana shipments , huge shipments of fruit from Israel , big .awful spiders in the bent bananas as well , mainly bound for M & S , big trade with the Malaysians boats in every month as well .


    Loved working on the docks , ,such a vibrant time /place then with jobs and the off spins of Bute Town life .

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    Well that's fairly sensible and conciliatory so fair enough.
    I'd forgotten that I'd mentioned that in another conversation, but if you want to take anything from it, might I suggest consistency ?

    Farming to me means hard work and constant frustration since the subject arises and it's the last thing I want to chat about now I don't have to do it, particularly the form filling , grants and ear tagging parts. If you wanted to know about breeds of cattle or sheep or something that'd be different if I were in the right frame of mind, but not as part of an interrogation about whether I'm some big liar.

    Now, it's true to say that bananas are a kind of farming / agriculture and in fact I've seen the groves of trees in the West Indies, but it's not anything related to agriculture in this country so of course I know no more about growing them than you do. My comments upon the subject were from a political and economic point of view.

    Anyway, I'll take that post as being sensible and well meant , and in that spirit I thank you for it.
    No problem. I accept this in the same spirit that you called me a "nutter" in post #52! Anyway back to bananas. You must have been horrified to find out that the devastation of the Jamaican banana industry that you care for so passionately was mostly down to America First big business interests (give or take the odd hurricane) rather than the evil EU empire ripping up colonial roots. Have facts changed your perspective?

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    Re: Bananas

    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    Interesting take on a little joke that I would make to anyone on the forum
    Haha, nice joke, WB and I really appreciate your humour!

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    Re: Bananas

    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    I fully understand your angst about people thinking you are a 6ft 4 inch white rabbit called Harvey who hangs around with Wales Bales. I just want to talk agriculture with you!
    That sounds like a decent chat up line, I'll have to try it sometime.

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    Re: Bananas

    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    No, not at all. That's what they're for.
    When I joined I left it blank but then a bunch of people who don't like WB started claiming I was him. You'll have seen that I reasoned with them and I filled in the profile really to make it obvious that wasn't the case.
    The reason I said he's a WB nutter is that he's trawled through that profile in order to pick up things, ( in this case the fact that I had a farm before I retired), then use them to try and catch me out. He won't because I've never lied here about myself ,WB or anything else.

    Re your own comments about whether your sane, well I expect you like a laugh etc but you equally don't seem fixated on a false idea that I'm WB and you don't troll me about that all the time
    I don't care who anyone is, answer the post not the poster

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Haha, nice joke, WB and I really appreciate your humour!

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    Re: Bananas

    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    I don't care who anyone is, answer the post not the poster


    Sorry it was a slip of the finger, R and W are very close together on an ASCII keyboard, I meant to say RB and I really appreciate your humour!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Sorry it was a slip of the finger, R and W are very close together on an ASCII keyboard, I meant to say RB and I really appreciate your humour!

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