Brexit and trade

[the other bob wilson]

A marketplace of 66 million comparitvely wealthy people with an economy which by necessity is going to expand is an attractive target for anyone, and a big loss to the EU.
Without the EU we managed to create the industrial revolution , gain an empire which covered 1/3 of the Globe and remained one of the three super powers within my memory. We really need not doubt our ability to function independently.

Now , I address this subject reluctantly because I think all the arguments have been made to a point where it's unlikely that anyone is going to change their minds. Sadly it seems that it cannot be settled by voting since the minority refuse to accept the democratic outcome, and very sadly we know where that leads historically.

As far as your proposition goes, it's rather like discussing the outcome of a football match. We all love to do it and we all have our views, but in the end the outcome will be determined by what happens during the game and our predictions will count for nothing .

Can we , as a nation, go out into the world and compete without German supervision ?

I'm certain that we can, just as you seem certain that we cannot and we won't know till we try. Before that though, we must settle the question of whether the British People , who have voted for Home Rule and independence will be allowed to have their democratically expressed wish, and how much strife there will be before that is permitted.

According to this

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/fact-figures/h...ive-in-the-eu/

There were 508 million people living in the EU in 2015. So, by taking away our 66 million, you get the total population of the other EU members. Therefore, if you were to substitute 442 million for 66 million and change the letters EU for U.K. In your first sentence, it seems to me that, by using your logic, we could also swap the word "big" for, say, the word "gigantic" because this is what we face with a no deal Brexit especially.

Also, although it has been harder to maintain this position as time has passed since June 2016 and the vote to Leave has been hijacked by the Zealots to mean authorisation of a no deal Brexit, I still feel the result of the vote should be respected and a negotiated Brexit delivered. However, given what Nigel Farage was saying prior to the vote in 2016

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...rendum-7985017

I can completely understand why there are so many who are pushing for a second referendum.

[RonnieBird]

According to this

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/fact-figures/h...ive-in-the-eu/

There were 508 million people living in the EU in 2015. So, by taking away our 66 million, you get the total population of the other EU members. Therefore, if you were to substitute 442 million for 66 million and change the letters EU for U.K. In your first sentence, it seems to me that, by using your logic, we could also swap the word "big" for, say, the word "gigantic" because this is what we face with a no deal Brexit especially.

Also, although it has been harder to maintain this position as time has passed since June 2016 and the vote to Leave has been hijacked by the Zealots to mean authorisation of a no deal Brexit, I still feel the result of the vote should be respected and a negotiated Brexit delivered. However, given what Nigel Farage was saying prior to the vote in 2016

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...rendum-7985017

I can completely understand why there are so many who are pushing for a second referendum.

It took me a while to understand what you meant in the first part, but I think you misunderstood my point.

I was pointing out that our economy is big enough to be an attractive marketplace or trading partner for anyone.

Many many countries will want to trade with us without insisting that we let them make our laws for us. Similarly , the EU won't want to disadvantage itself in this respect once it's been made clear that they can't blackmail us over trade deals which we can get elshere in any case.

I say all this just to clarify, but I repeat that there's little point in anyone debating it any longer since there's not a political resolution available as long as a few MPs remain determined to block the democratic vote at any price.

I will say, though, that the referendum was about leaving or staying, and not in any way dependent upon any deal.