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    Re: Jo Swinson , new liberal leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Dilemma. Would overturn Brexit but is hardly a socialist.

    Actually no contest. Get rid of Brexit first. Remove the most damaging aspect first.
    Sorry Eric. Nobody is going to stop Brexit.
    Get used to it.

  2. #27

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    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    Ignore the political bun fight. Forget who occupies 10 Downing Street, or who wears the Crown at Buck House.

    They all bow to the real boss: the Godfather of the City of London.


    You will believe anything

  3. #28

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    Sorry Eric. Nobody is going to stop Brexit.
    Get used to it.
    Johnson is in full no deal mode now. His entire cabinet is full of no deal brexiteers.

  4. #29

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
    Johnson is in full no deal mode now. His entire cabinet is full of no deal brexiteers.
    That makes sense on two counts :

    1. he will have full support and the message stays on line for Brexit
    2. that very team could fight the next general Brexit based election ( which the opposition have craved for ,why I don't know ?)

    My guess is that he will struggle to exit , due to parliament stopping him doing a no deal Brexit , he will go to the country as the official out party , try isolating Farage / UKIP , potentially force Labour to become an official remain party with the Liberals or still leave with strings , which could implode upon them .

    Its not done yet .

  5. #30

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    That makes sense on two counts :

    1. he will have full support and the message stays on line for Brexit
    2. that very team could fight the next general Brexit based election ( which the opposition have craved for ,why I don't know ?)

    My guess is that he will struggle to exit , due to parliament stopping him doing a no deal Brexit , he will go to the country as the official out party , try isolating Farage / UKIP , potentially force Labour to become an official remain party with the Liberals or still leave with strings , which could implode upon them .

    Its not done yet .
    Parliament can't stop no deal.

  6. #31

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    Gosh your in a full on political mode with your research , posters ,clippings .


    Poor old Wales Bales gets pillared for this sort of research and posting ,don't worry Mr Corbyn will see them all off, and we will be in utopia .

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Gosh your in a full on political mode with your research , posters ,clippings .


    Poor old Wales Bales gets pillared for this sort of research and posting ,don't worry Mr Corbyn will see them all off, and we will be in utopia .
    I wish that was true.

    I think it is more likely that Johnson will call a general election before the latest leave date and make sure it is all about Brexit. His decision to form a 'Cabinet for 100 days' may succeed in puncturing the Brexit Party bubble but leave Labour and the LibDems at each others' throats splitting the Remain vote (with the nationalists and Greens also in that mix).

    Labour will try to make any GE about everything other than Brexit (whilst hoping to maintain an internal truce around support for a 2nd referendum) but the media won't let them make it about austerity, and the civil war will carry on around the Labour Brexit vs Remain in EU poles that are still unresolved.

    There is every chance that would result in a Tory victory with a small working majority. I hope not but Johnson could succeed in using his honeymoon period to achieve that - before his idleness, lying and bluster sinks him.

  8. #33

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    I wish that was true.

    I think it is more likely that Johnson will call a general election before the latest leave date and make sure it is all about Brexit. His decision to form a 'Cabinet for 100 days' may succeed in puncturing the Brexit Party bubble but leave Labour and the LibDems at each others' throats splitting the Remain vote (with the nationalists and Greens also in that mix).

    Labour will try to make any GE about everything other than Brexit (whilst hoping to maintain an internal truce around support for a 2nd referendum) but the media won't let them make it about austerity, and the civil war will carry on around the Labour Brexit vs Remain in EU poles that are still unresolved.

    There is every chance that would result in a Tory victory with a small working majority. I hope not but Johnson could succeed in using his honeymoon period to achieve that - before his idleness, lying and bluster sinks him.
    its like groundhog day, and has been since 2015 ,.

  9. #34

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    Jo Swinson is little more than a student protestor politician. In voting for Jo Swinson the Liberal Democrats have opted for the bland “Oh we must have a protected class person” being selected rather than the most effective one. Cool to have a woman, eh? Not that I rated the alternative guy either, but clearly this is why they chose Jo Swinson.

    Here lies the difficulty. In choosing Nick Clegg they at least selected a man who could lead and take them to power, and perhaps they sacrificed a little on values. And for all his fault he acted like a leader at least. In Jo Swinson they have conceded the chance of power, placing the priority on a return to values and positive discrimination. They have resorted to a politician that look like a protest party leader, akin to Leanne Wood, focusing on whinges and problems. whereas a leader follows up with a vision and solutions, and communicates it with confidence.

    Being the third party, or perceived as such, the Lib Dems have struggled since David Lloyd George after World War One to return to power. With Nick Clegg they took the opportunity. This political landscape is the best chance they will have had since World War One to capitalise on the mess of the Labour and Conservative parties.

    In Remain they have a clear message they can sell, which is more genuine than either Labour nor the Conservatives. They should be capable of picking up the business vote, the young vote, the ethnic vote and the female vote. With the moment in time such as this, a clear message to sell, a target market ripe for snatching, experienced Labour and Conservative politicians defecting to them, all the cards are stacked in their favour. The only simple thing left they had to do was to select a strong leader with a clear vision and outline of what they want the country to look like, and they had a chance to canter to power at the next election. It really was the opportunity of the century for them.

    In selecting whinging Jo Swinson, they have not just looked at a gift horse in the mouth, they have shat in the horses mouth, called it all the names under the sun and then ran away like an inexperienced child, as if incapable of seeing the clear opportunity and afraid of the responsibility of leading. Only the Liberal Democrats could do such a thing. Shame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBlue View Post
    1 million seconds is: 11 1/2 days
    1 billion seconds is: 31.7 years
    1 trillion seconds is: 31,709 years

    The GDP of the USA is $20 trillion. There's no family on earth worth $500,000,000,000,000
    I think you may have 3 too many noughts there for today's understanding of the word trillion

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    I think you may have 3 too many noughts there for today's understanding of the word trillion
    From Wikipedia:

    "A trillion is a number with two distinct definitions:

    1,000,000,000,000, i.e. one million million, or 1012 (ten to the twelfth power), as defined on the short scale. This is now the meaning in both American and British English.
    1,000,000,000,000,000,000, i.e. 1018 (ten to the eighteenth power), as defined on the long scale. This is one million times larger than the short scale trillion. This is the former meaning of a trillion in British English and the current use in many non-English-speaking countries"

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Arbiter View Post
    From Wikipedia:

    "A trillion is a number with two distinct definitions:

    1,000,000,000,000, i.e. one million million, or 1012 (ten to the twelfth power), as defined on the short scale. This is now the meaning in both American and British English.
    1,000,000,000,000,000,000, i.e. 1018 (ten to the eighteenth power), as defined on the long scale. This is one million times larger than the short scale trillion. This is the former meaning of a trillion in British English and the current use in many non-English-speaking countries"
    Wikpedia, the faultless never wrong font of all knowledge. I trillion 1,000,000,000,000 but I think you will find most people nowadays saying it interpret 1 trillion as 1,000,000,000.
    Buty hey, I don't really care, i don't have that many pennies

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    Or maybe that's a billion? lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    I think you may have 3 too many noughts there for today's understanding of the word trillion

    That is the correct amount of noughts. A trillion is one million, million. The old UK standard used to be one million, million, million back when a billion was one million, million.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    Wikpedia, the faultless never wrong font of all knowledge. I trillion 1,000,000,000,000 but I think you will find most people nowadays saying it interpret 1 trillion as 1,000,000,000.
    Buty hey, I don't really care, i don't have that many pennies
    1,000,000,000 is a billion.

  16. #41

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    Wikpedia, the faultless never wrong font of all knowledge. I trillion 1,000,000,000,000 but I think you will find most people nowadays saying it interpret 1 trillion as 1,000,000,000.
    Buty hey, I don't really care, i don't have that many pennies
    That's a billion mate.

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    Re: Jo Swinson , new liberal leader

    This thread parted company with Jo Swinson a long time ago!

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