BBC weather forecasting...

[xsnaggle]

Billy Connely got it right. He said in the .morning the forecaster should tell you it's going to lovely and sunny and warm so you feel good when your getting ready for work and having your breakfast because as soon as you step out the door you know its pissing down with rain

[RonnieBird]

This is not the climate change denial board. For that you want to click on the Politics Board (you know the way) and turn right!

"Climate change denial"

- that says it all !

In legitimate science we can and must test everything up to and including gravity in order to progress . The vilification of alternative hypotheses has nothing to do with real science and is traditionally more the province of political and religious maniacs.

What I wrote is perfectly relevant to the subject of the thread, unlike your endless unintelligent and paranoid drivel about your suspicions of dual identities on any and every thread.

That becomes quite relevant now though , because it demonstrates that you are not inclined or equipped to reach solid conclusions.

Your obsessive and entirely incorrect conclusions about my " secret identity" of WB show us all how you can take a few unconnected and coincidental observations and weave them into a narrative with some other stupid people which fits what you want to believe rather than what actually exists.

In fact, your automatic gainsaying of anything I post is based upon the your mad fantasy that I'm someone else you don't like. That's another reason why it's hard to take anything you say seriously to be frank.

[Optimistic Nick]

Weather forecasting used to be much more accurate, as shown by its part in planning WW2 Operations. Older members will recall that it used to be quite reliable . It's still possible to get accurate forecasts privately but you have to pay for them, which many big industries and farming concerns do.
Unfortunately you have to use proper physics and meteorology to do that rather than "computer modelling ". Thing is though, that such actual science quickly rules out the idea of man made climate change, which is not a conclusion which can be allowed.

If we intend to perpetuate the idea of man made climate change with all the benefits that brings to rich people such as revenue, reduction of competition and a reason to legislate against freedoms, then we must use the politically defined version of science rather than the old version which relied on fact rather than commerce and control.

Therefore the BBC , like all State funded institutions must use "computer modelling" and other methods which are designed to corroborate the claims and predictions of the State and we therefore cannot expect results which are entirely compatible with scientific reality.

Science, like literature and history is now the province of the State and its dumbed down "education" system rather than those who study these disciplines objectively. This isn't new - it's happened in both Germany and the Soviet Union in the past , and it's doomed to eventual failure in the same way. However, since we appear to be content for the moment to put up with it, I'm afraid that we can't expect accurate weather forecasting any more than we can expect truthful history or the exemption of literature from censorship.

You are soooo weird

[lardy]

If we intend to perpetuate the idea of man made climate change with all the benefits that brings to rich people such as revenue, reduction of competition and a reason to legislate against freedoms, then we must use the politically defined version of science rather than the old version which relied on fact rather than commerce and control.

You tell 'em, mate. They probably won't even mention that the majority of the richest people/companies in the world made their money with oil. You outsmarted everyone again!

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Weather forecasting used to be much more accurate

Lost me at this bit.

I've heard many a weather forecaster, when quizzed about whether we'd have a white Christmas, say that we'll know on Christmas day. Longer term forecasts can be totally hit or miss and should be taken with a pinch of salt. The longer ahead you want a forecast for, the less likely that it will be accurate. I get baffled by people who look at a 7-day forecast to see what the weather will be like next week. Nobody really knows. Nobody would have been any the wiser years ago, either.

[RonnieBird]

You tell 'em, mate. They probably won't even mention that the majority of the richest people/companies in the world made their money with oil. You outsmarted everyone again!

Yes, quite right, and they continue to make money with oil and coal in China, where they don't take any notice of the restrictions applied to Western countries.
I suggest you look at Al Gore's companies for example - they're all registered on various stock exchanges world wide.

Like most or all the climate change gurus , he's shifted his investments to China whilst making sure the West can't compete because they're trying to slay a dragon he told them about. That's why they make iPhones for 28p in China and sell them to you for £800 you see, but I mean, as long as you're happy and it makes you feel clever to please them, I don't want to burst your bubble .

I've long given up trying to argue with people on this. We'll just have to watch our economy and status wither to third world status and hope that whoever eventually takes over the ruins can build the place up again.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

I've long given up trying to argue with people on this. We'll just have to watch our economy and status wither to third world status and hope that whoever eventually takes over the ruins can build the place up again.

I thought you supported Brexit?

[rudy gestede]

OP is Wales Bales

[fingers]

Who gives a shit what the weather is, I wasn't listening...
https://www.google.com/search?q=yane...&bih=737&dpr=1

[IanD]

Pissing it down here! Didn't see that coming.

[Croesy Blue]

I've long given up trying to argue with people on this. We'll just have to watch our economy and status wither to third world status and hope that whoever eventually takes over the ruins can build the place up again.

So you don't believe climate change is real?

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Yes, quite right, and they continue to make money with oil and coal in China, where they don't take any notice of the restrictions applied to Western countries.
I suggest you look at Al Gore's companies for example - they're all registered on various stock exchanges world wide.

Like most or all the climate change gurus , he's shifted his investments to China whilst making sure the West can't compete because they're trying to slay a dragon he told them about. That's why they make iPhones for 28p in China and sell them to you for £800 you see, but I mean, as long as you're happy and it makes you feel clever to please them, I don't want to burst your bubble .

I've long given up trying to argue with people on this. We'll just have to watch our economy and status wither to third world status and hope that whoever eventually takes over the ruins can build the place up again.

You've been watching too much Infowars.

[RonnieBird]

So you don't believe climate change is real?

Yeah of course climate changes but our ability to effect that is almost negligible , if not actually negligible in reality .
It's a case of people attaching data to their political and financial agendas to describe a situation which they can't demonstrate other than with predictions and other stuff we can't check on.
Basically it's a very old scam where you tell the peasants there's a gold eating dragon in some unreachable place they can't visit to see, then charge them money and get them to obey you so you can protect them from it. If anyone objects you call them a witch or something and the really stupid people , ( who've been told they're clever and rewarded for believing it ), will gang up on them and burn them at the stake !

No point in arguing with those people really because they don't understand logic and they don't think for themselves, but rely on what
" clever people" tell them.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Yeah of course climate changes but our ability to effect that is almost negligible , if not actually negligible in reality .
It's a case of people attaching data to their political and financial agendas to describe a situation which they can't demonstrate other than with predictions and other stuff we can't check on.
Basically it's a very old scam where you tell the peasants there's a gold eating dragon in some unreachable place they can't visit to see, then charge them money and get them to obey you so you can protect them from it. If anyone objects you call them a witch or something and the really stupid people , ( who've been told they're clever and rewarded for believing it ), will gang up on them and burn them at the stake !

No point in arguing with those people really because they don't understand logic and they don't think for themselves, but rely on what
" clever people" tell them.

This is the best (and worst) thing I've ever read. Never change WB, never change.

Also, if you want to tell everyone how clever you are, it might be an idea to use punctuation correctly.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

Yeah of course climate changes but our ability to effect that is almost negligible , if not actually negligible in reality .
It's a case of people attaching data to their political and financial agendas to describe a situation which they can't demonstrate other than with predictions and other stuff we can't check on.
Basically it's a very old scam where you tell the peasants there's a gold eating dragon in some unreachable place they can't visit to see, then charge them money and get them to obey you so you can protect them from it. If anyone objects you call them a witch or something and the really stupid people , ( who've been told they're clever and rewarded for believing it ), will gang up on them and burn them at the stake !

No point in arguing with those people really because they don't understand logic and they don't think for themselves, but rely on what
" clever people" tell them.

I think the figure is something 2-3%. The typical western world person need something to angst about - what they eat, drink, their waste/rubbish, the rising seas [!].

Re. weather forecasting commercial pilots have access to the most reliable source. I was looking at it last night. It's basically several rows of letters and numbers for every airport in the world updated every minute. Difficult to read as a laymen but miles better than the met office and meteo, who are basically P.R. for the climate change lobby and H&S executive[s]..

[Croesy Blue]

Yeah of course climate changes but our ability to effect that is almost negligible , if not actually negligible in reality .
It's a case of people attaching data to their political and financial agendas to describe a situation which they can't demonstrate other than with predictions and other stuff we can't check on.
Basically it's a very old scam where you tell the peasants there's a gold eating dragon in some unreachable place they can't visit to see, then charge them money and get them to obey you so you can protect them from it. If anyone objects you call them a witch or something and the really stupid people , ( who've been told they're clever and rewarded for believing it ), will gang up on them and burn them at the stake !

No point in arguing with those people really because they don't understand logic and they don't think for themselves, but rely on what
" clever people" tell them.

As individuals it might be difficult to change anything, but the effect of humans on the climate is real. There is proof. I know this might be difficult to believe but I work in the industry and have studied climate change. It is very real and the human impact is very real.

[jon1959]

Yeah of course climate changes but our ability to effect that is almost negligible , if not actually negligible in reality .
It's a case of people attaching data to their political and financial agendas to describe a situation which they can't demonstrate other than with predictions and other stuff we can't check on.
Basically it's a very old scam where you tell the peasants there's a gold eating dragon in some unreachable place they can't visit to see, then charge them money and get them to obey you so you can protect them from it. If anyone objects you call them a witch or something and the really stupid people , ( who've been told they're clever and rewarded for believing it ), will gang up on them and burn them at the stake !

No point in arguing with those people really because they don't understand logic and they don't think for themselves, but rely on what
" clever people" tell them.

A typical post that pretends to be on the side of logic and evidence but is as much fantasy as the fairy story you chose to use. Alt-right, flat earth, conspiracy theorising again whilst calling out those who don't agree with your opinion as stupid.

97% of all climate scientists around the globe agree - that the world is warming at a much faster rate than could be explained by natural processes (in fact the natural processes have slightly held back the rate of warming) with associated extreme weather events, and that it is human activity especially since the 1950s that is the cause. The climate studies are peer reviewed and have been subjected to constant and rigorous challenge. The folksy appeal to ignore 'experts' and scientists, and instead adopt the lead of the flat earthers and Big Oil - Big Gas - Big Coal coalitions to Make America Gormless Again is pathetic. The compromised scientists are those in the 3% who are paid by the polluters and don't open their work up to rigorous scientific challenge.

We are very close to the point of no return where your claim that humans have 'negligable' ability to effect a positive change will become true.

The real fairy story you are peddling is the one that sees scientists as the pawns of the great Globalist Conspiracy (successors to the Templars, the Illuminati and the other famous global conspiracy theories that were most popular in the 1930s). In your world they are the evil cabal out to stop the common, right thinking, patriotic man - now championed by Boris Johnson and Donald Trump - from living their lives the way they want without a care. Except the gas-guzzlers would screw the world in the process and Johnson and Trump only care about themselves.

[lardy]

As individuals it might be difficult to change anything, but the effect of humans on the climate is real. There is proof. I know this might be difficult to believe but I work in the industry and have studied climate change. It is very real and the human impact is very real.

Al Gore pays your wages with Chinese money he earns from Apple.

[rudy gestede]

Typical conspiracy theorist stuff from Wales Bales, it’s why it’s not worth discussing anything with him. Copy and pasted made up “logic” off a dodgy website and any actual evidence is said to be made up from massive corporations. This one falls down so often as the evidence is so real and so many people work in fields that have been affected by climate change.

Reproducing all the made up facts is a good way for a person who isn’t that intelligent feel intelligent. It’s also a good defence mechanism to put the genuinely educated people in a subject down too because every actual fact is dismissed.

[Croesy Blue]

Al Gore pays your wages with Chinese money he earns from Apple.

the thing is I work for a company that is having to spend billions on combatting climate change but the company are also chinese owned so I don't know how that works out.

[The Arbiter]

They get their weather information from MetroGroup. They're also saying there's this chance of rain, I literally don't understand what your issue is? They're putting the likelihood of the chance, which is more accurate than what you want.

Precisely. The BBC doesn't predict the weather themselves. Forecasters such as Michael Fish were actually Met Office employees.

[RonnieBird]

This is the best (and worst) thing I've ever read. Never change WB, never change.

Also, if you want to tell everyone how clever you are, it might be an idea to use punctuation correctly.

I didn't realise that it was an exam . Are you a great academic then Pedro ? i hadn't got that impression , but then maybe I'm insufficiently educated myself to spot the intellectual cream.

Beggin your pardon though, guvnor , and without disrespecting your CSE in metalwork , there seems to be a tiny problem with your top level thinking in that you worked out , and apparently still think that I'm WB.

Thing is ,you see, and without disrespecting your high level deductive logic or anything, that is in fact what we barely literate types refer to as "arrant bollocks".

You see, you KNOW I'm WB just as you KNOW that man is causing catastrophic climate change. I mean , you're wrong , but that doesn't really matter.
What are your specific problems with my punctuation by the way ? If you wanted to be strictly correct you should have put a comma before you opened the brackets you know, but I really didn't know that chat threads were quite that formal .

[RonnieBird]

As individuals it might be difficult to change anything, but the effect of humans on the climate is real. There is proof. I know this might be difficult to believe but I work in the industry and have studied climate change. It is very real and the human impact is very real.

Well that's a very rational and well put point , which stands out from some of the irate and angry replies from the execution mob !

I would disagree of course, but you're clearly looking at it for yourself and that's very different from some. I can fully understand why you'd accept the data which you've read, but equally there's a motivation for all sorts of people and organisations to be a bit selective in what they select as the data then how they read it. As I'm sure you know , it's easily possible to prove by correct Math that one equals two, and perhaps some industries might be happy to go down these lines if the alternative is to rock the boat.

If you're genuinely interested I can certainly address the subject, but as I said, I don't usually go that far into it because of the "emporers new clothes " effect and anger it provokes from Walter the swine herd and Daft Jack McDaft.

[MacAdder]

Completely agree with the OP.

Our guys are not a patch on the Arab met office who seem to get their forecasting accurate all the time

[rudy gestede]

Completely agree with the OP.

Our guys are not a patch on the Arab met office who seem to get their forecasting accurate all the time

Hot and sandy not that difficult to predict in fairness.