Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?

[The Lone Gunman]

Taarabt had the best season of his career by a million miles under Warnock. Warnock deserves all the credit for that, as he's the only one that managed to get him to pull his finger out.

Perhaps, but did Warnock ‘resurrect’ his career or did Tarrabt simply have one good season under him before the pair fell out?

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Perhaps, but did Warnock ‘resurrect’ his career or did Tarrabt simply have one good season under him before the pair fell out?

Taarabt was going nowhere, Warnock turned him into the best player in the division and then they fell out. QPR was a basket case when they went up though.

[The Lone Gunman]

Taarabt was going nowhere, Warnock turned him into the best player in the division and then they fell out. QPR was a basket case when they went up though.

Taarabt was a first team regular at QPR when Warnock arrived. No doubt he improved him (briefly), but the player also went backwards under Warnock. I don’t think he resurrected Taarabt’s career.

Chopra played his best football under Jones. Does that mean Jones resurrected Chopra’s career, or does it simply mean he signed him, improved him and sold him on?

If a manager signs a player who was previously decent but has gone downhill, and the manager gets the best out of him again, I’d regard that as resurrecting a career. I can’t think of anyone who’s done that under Warnock.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Taarabt was a first team regular at QPR when Warnock arrived. No doubt he improved him (briefly), but the player also went backwards under Warnock. I don’t think he resurrected Taarabt’s career.

Chopra played his best football under Jones. Does that mean Jones resurrected Chopra’s career, or does it simply mean he signed him, improved him and sold him on?

If a manager signs a player who was previously decent but has gone downhill, and the manager gets the best out of him again, I’d regard that as resurrecting a career. I can’t think of anyone who’s done that under Warnock.

Taarabt signed for Spurs, his career nose dived, Warnock got hold of him and improved him.

Also, I can't believe I've missed it: Sol Bamba.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Taarabt signed for Spurs, his career nose dived, Warnock got hold of him and improved him.

Also, I can't believe I've missed it: Sol Bamba.

Also Hoilett, while Etheridge and NML have kicked on no end.

[Sparticus_Mills]

Is he better than what we've got?

[delmbox]

This is such an odd one, we've got several strikers and this guy's done nothing to suggest he'll knock them in for us. Warnock does do some strange things in the transfer market, been a pretty underwhelming pre season hasn't it

[Wales-Bales]

Warnock does do some strange things in the transfer market, been a pretty underwhelming pre season hasn't it

Exactly the same as last season, planning ahead is not one of his strong points.

[Der Kaiser]

I really just don't understand why Tan & Co can't grow a pair of bollocks and open the chequebook whilst we can? Or is it that they are anticipating some sort of embargo in the future and now won't spend much?

Show some ambition and players will come. I'm not being funny, Vaulks might turn out to be a gem, but he and Flint are hardly saying to the other teams in the league and potential targets "look at us, we mean business". They're just really safe signings.

[Heisenberg]

He's only played 700 minutes of football in the championship, so "23 games" is a big stretch. 7-8 games worth of minutes

That's even worse.

[Rjk]

That's even worse.

How is it worse?

[Heisenberg]

How is it worse?

The poster I was responding to earlier appeared to argue that Vassell wasn't an unproven Championship player. I thought that he'd played 23 games and scored 1 solitary goal. You've now informed me that he's only played about 7-8 games worth of minutes in the division, which is far worse than I'd realised.

[delmbox]

The poster I was responding to earlier appeared to argue that Vassell wasn't an unproven Championship player. I thought that he'd played 23 games and scored 1 solitary goal. You've now informed me that he's only played about 7-8 games worth of minutes in the division, which is far worse than I'd realised.

it bumps his goals to games ratio up though

[Pedro de la Rosa]

The poster I was responding to earlier appeared to argue that Vassell wasn't an unproven Championship player. I thought that he'd played 23 games and scored 1 solitary goal. You've now informed me that he's only played about 7-8 games worth of minutes in the division, which is far worse than I'd realised.

Yeah but we should buy him instead of a centre mid because we've only got Glatzel, Ward, Madine and Bogle competing for one position, while we've got Bacuna, Ralls and Vaulks for 2.

[Rjk]

The poster I was responding to earlier appeared to argue that Vassell wasn't an unproven Championship player. I thought that he'd played 23 games and scored 1 solitary goal. You've now informed me that he's only played about 7-8 games worth of minutes in the division, which is far worse than I'd realised.

I would argue that it means he's unproven, especially given the disruption of his injuries.
If he had played 23 games and scored 1 goal then it would be fairly damning evidence that he wasn't up to it at this level.

[Heisenberg]

it bumps his goals to games ratio up though

True dat.

Where's Not Eddie May these days? He loved a good G2G ratio.

[dembethewarrior]

It should take you to a review of the Pompey v Brum EFL game from last night, where it mentions Vassell wasn't in Brums line up last night because he is on his way to another club, which looks like being Cardiff City. The link works fine for me...

Hats why I asked as that’s what normally happens and it goes via the app, but it didn’t for me so I did it myself.

[Don Corleone]

Also Hoilett, while Etheridge and NML have kicked on no end.

Warnock took NML and Etheridge from league 1 and made them Premier league players

[Heisenberg]

I would argue that it means he's unproven, especially given the disruption of his injuries.
If he had played 23 games and scored 1 goal then it would be fairly damning evidence that he wasn't up to it at this level.

He's literally unproven. I'm not commenting on his ability, potential or being critical of him in any way. It's just a fact that he's unproven as he's not played anywhere near close to enough games in the division.

[Rjk]

He's literally unproven. I'm not commenting on his ability, potential or being critical of him in any way. It's just a fact that he's unproven as he's not played anywhere near close to enough games in the division.

I'd agree he's unproven, but for me that's better than having been proven to be not good enough. Presumably our scouts have seen something in him they like

[Heisenberg]

I'd agree he's unproven, but for me that's better than having been proven to be not good enough. Presumably our scouts have seen something in him they like

Agreed.

[delmbox]

Agreed.

Not sure if our scouts know what a striker is though

[thehumblegringo]

Iour scouts have seen something in him they like

[thehumblegringo]

our scouts

[Heisenberg]

I'd agree he's unproven, but for me that's better than having been proven to be not good enough.

It just occurred to me that we shouldn't be in a position where we are looking at unproven or proven to not be good enough players at this level. We've just been relegated from the Premier League. If we can't attract/are not looking to sign proven Championship strikers as a bare minimum, then there's something seriously wrong at the club.