Reply With QuoteI see no difference between Labour and Conservative, and I wouldn't vote for any of them.
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I now await the obligatory “yes, but no, but the Labour party” posts from the usual suspects.
I see no difference between Labour and Conservative, and I wouldn't vote for any of them.
I find it extremely odd that people can pick a difference.Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
The brainwashed can
I see the smug and talented party are out in force tonight - why are you bothering with this thread when you’ve got so many of your own on here already to play with?
They both answer to big business and they hate the little people, so I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. The old days of caring Labour are long gone.
So, can you provide us with a rough breakdown of the £21 billion lost due to fraud by a Labour Government if they’re both as bad as each other?
Must say, I’m surprised you are slumming it in a thread like this - domestic politics is usually beneath you.
Starmer is on record saying he prefers the WEF way of doing things and Westminster is an annoyance.
A fairly typical Gluey reply with a question put to him ignored and a claim made as if it was a fact with nothing linked to back it up.
One of the reasons my opinion of Starmer is becoming less positive by the day and I'm less enthused about his party is that he'll promise all sorts of things one day and then act as if had not happened quite soon afterwards. Even if Starmer did say what you claim he did in the past, there's no guarantee that it represents his current thinking.
There was a very big poll published this week
https://pollingreport.uk/articles/wh...seat-landslide
it talks about Labour getting 470 seats in a best case scenario for them, but also remarks that support for Starmer, and his party, is "soft". It seems that people have had enough of the Tories, but they still aren't convinced about Labour - that's how I feel, but, as I feel millions of people in this country's lives will be made a bit better by the Conservatives thirteen years in power coming to an end, I'll vote Labour and would vote tactically for a different party if it meant a better chance of beating the Conservative candidate.
That's what I'm prepared to do to try to bring about a change of Government whereas you and the others in the small group on here who are always congratulating themselves for being cleverer than the rest of us will continue to carp from the sidelines about how they're all as bad as one and other and they]re all in thrall to big business anyway.
Yet, I read what you and the other members of the gifted set have to say about, say, global warming and it seems to me that your opinions are totally in favour of big business and a continuation of the policies which have caused ninety seven per cent, it's probably more now, of scientists to agree that global warming is a crisis that needs tackling urgently.
You appear to be blind to other examples of fraud or public waste of money .
you're right, the Tories have wasted way more public money than that haven't they?
They are not blind they vote and think in hate and cannot see two sides to a story .The brainwashed can
We have been voting for Blair Lite Tory government since Thatcher and we will continue that theme under Sir Kier therefore as socialist will vote for Sir Kier / Blair /Cameron party next year , we can only assume they do like conservativism ,just cant admit it due to their blinkered socialism , they certainly enjoy the less impoverished world Conservatism has provided for them in their later years , someone ounce said that ""socialism was the politics of envy "", that in my personal experience is sadly true .
No, it's fraud only that appeared in the thread title, so let's keep it to that - let's have your breakdown of the equivalent of £21 billion of Government fraud committed by a Labour Government then.
Well they will have , as money is at a greater value now , we have had an unprecedent pandemic cost , global finance collapse , war in Europe since they been in power ,worse than WW2 .
What's your view on the SNP and Welsh Assembly Blair's waste of public money, without those impacts ?
Oh and let us not forget the applagin abuse of the ALL MP's expense scandal story investigated and broke via the Tory so called rag the Daily Telegraph , not the Morning Star or Woke Guardian, BBC
Oh, he's in full tory mode today isn't he.
Not a great reply , do you post or comment about other fraud stories associated to other parties or people with the same venom as the Tories ?
There are differences. Small but important differences. Just as in the USA there are differences between the two major parties of big business and imperialism.
In the USA the faultlines are around issues like universal health care, gun control and whether 17th century fundamentalist Christianity will dictate policy decisions.
In the UK the privatiser and war criminal Blair led governments introduced Sure Start, enabled a programme of council house improvements and through Prudence Brown a series of redistributive budgets that benefitted ordinary people.
I despise Starmer almost as much as the Tories (for some of the same reasons and some different) but in my view even a Starmer-led Labour government (or Labour majority coalition government) will be better than more of the Tories. The marginal differences count.
"Socialism is the politics of envy"! My God he's swallowed it hook, line and sinker, hasn't he? Conservative Central Office must look at him as a perfect example of how the cost and effort of brainwashing the proles actually produces results! No doubt he's in line for a pat on his dutiful head.
I'll try a rather different soundbite on him: "Capitalism is the politics of greed".
Excellently put Jon and I agree entirely 👍
No, but maybe I would if I came across a story of another party wasting £21 billion.
What do you call it when a government jumps into bed with big business?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvWwAjVDyF8
I call it 'jumping into bed with big business'. What do you call it?
What's the point of voting then if the global corporations decide the laws.
Fornication
That is funny coming from a propagandist for Big Oil.
And the point is that global corporations don't decide all the laws. They influence (through lobbying, patronage and donations) many of the big strategic government decisions, and some of the smaller and more specific policies, but not all.
That was my point. You have not engaged with it.
To go back to my earlier post, I do not believe that Sure Start or the Decent Homes Programme were influenced in any way by the WEF, Formula One or BP. I also doubt that Big Pharma is backing Democrat plans to invent a universal health care system or severely cap the astronomic cost of prescription drugs in the USA.
I'm sure Shell and Exxon-Mobile are working out how to maximise their profits under Green Energy plans - but they have spent the last 60-70 years (like tobacco and other similar sectors) doing their best to frustrate a move to renewables. Starmer will happily get into bed with them - but clean energy and corporate profits is a better outcome than dirty energy and corporate profits.
Whilst that's going on there will be people in the global labour, anti-imperialist and environmental movements working to socialise the savings and the benefits of that change. Not you and your co-'thinkers' but millions of others. That is the hope, and that is the reason to back marginal improvements even if they don't come with a complete transformation of the political, economic and social systems that dominate the world.
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