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LONDON (Reuters) - Britain and the United States are discussing a partial trade accord that could take effect on Nov. 1, the day after Britain is due to leave the European Union, a senior Trump administration official said on Tuesday.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1V31QV
Remoaners and their beloved BBC would have trouble spinning that as a negative in spite of being afflicted with Stockholm Syndrome with their desire to continue being dominated by Germany and France while paying through the nose for the dubious privilege.
This new opinion poll will also confound those who are desperate to endure as forelock-tugging EU serfs.
One of the problems with the risk of blindness in one-eye is that you never know who will be afflicted next!Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
Remoaners and their beloved BBC would have trouble spinning that as a negative in spite of being afflicted with Stockholm Syndrome with their desire to continue being dominated by Germany and France while paying through the nose for the dubious privilege.
This new opinion poll will also confound those who are desperate to endure as forelock-tugging EU serfs.
https://fullfact.org/europe/telegrap...ng-parliament/
We have a trade deal with the USA via the EU, and Trump hates it.Remoaners and their beloved BBC would have trouble spinning that as a negative in spite of being afflicted with Stockholm Syndrome with their desire to continue being dominated by Germany and France while paying through the nose for the dubious privilege.
This new opinion poll will also confound those who are desperate to endure as forelock-tugging EU serfs.
If we negotiate one on our own, it'll be one that Trump loves (as we'll be desperate).
Which deal do you think will be better for the UK? One Trump hates or one Trump loves?
How many members of the public have the foggiest idea of the consequences of a no-deal Brexit (or even of staying in the EU)? Most people tend to speak using superficial slogans rather than having detailed economic arguments.
Here is a small example of the intricacies of global trade.
A friend of mine works for an agricultural marketing consultancy and has been working on a project on opportunities for export of skimmed milk powder to Indonesia.
Just the type of market post-Brexit that would be on our radar. 275 million people, 6% economic growth and an appetite for things produced in our temperate climate that they cannot produce themselves.
At the moment there is a 5% import duty on SMP whilst the Australians and New Zealanders have negotiated zero tariff via their trade deals. The hope has been to get equivalence and to be able to compete more easily.
Concurrently however, to show our environmental credentials and support for the preservation of the orang-utan we, along with other EU countries, decided to ban imports of Indonesian palm oil. Indonesia responded by increasing the import duty on SMP five-fold effectively excluding UK produce from that market.
You could argue that when we leave the EU we can unilaterally decide to lift the ban on palm oil and get preferential access to Indonesian markets, particularly as we may lose EU markets trading on WTO terms. Also the fate of the rain forest and the orang-utan is a small price to pay compared with the economic benefits that may accrue.
Thanks, I welcome factual and helpful situation from either side of the fence in order to educate myself on a matter that I know so little about considering the complexities involved. It's just a pity that most people I come across (and see being questioned on TV in vox pop street interviews) know no more than me about the subject themselves but are very dogmatic about the ramifications of Brexit.
Unfortunately, my 'A' level Economics pass qualifies me to vote on the subject as much as my 'O' level woodwork qualifies me to design and create quality furniture from trees that are still standing.............
Think you are wrong on this one. The proposed trade deal TTIP was stopped by Trump and was stalling anyway. Negotiations have restarted. You are right to point out what will be the marginal benefit of a UK/US deal compared with an EU/US deal when balanced against the no-deal with our biggest collective trading partner.
It is more the case when you look at the rest of the world. EU has negotiated deals with more and more of the globe, most recently Canada, Japan and the South American bloc (Mercasor) which we are frantically trying just to roll-over with a UK stamp by 31st October. Even then many countries are holding out on that sensing there are concessions to be squeezed.
I stand corrected Cyril.
Wot???
I wonder what is worse, being "forelock tugging EU serfs" or forelock tugging US serfs?Remoaners and their beloved BBC would have trouble spinning that as a negative in spite of being afflicted with Stockholm Syndrome with their desire to continue being dominated by Germany and France while paying through the nose for the dubious privilege.
This new opinion poll will also confound those who are desperate to endure as forelock-tugging EU serfs.
I think that rather depends on how many delegates we get offered to the Electoral College and how many Congressmen and women and senators we are allowed to elect if we are looking for some kind of democratic equivalence.
My understanding of serfdom was that there was no representation as such and they were just grateful for whatever they could get.
But...but in the EU the UK has/had 13% of the voting rights in the Council of Ministers and a veto on certain areas of foreign affairs, taxation, justice and budgets, almost 10% of the democratically elected MEPs and a Commissioner. Seems serfs are pampered and spoiled these days!
I think that's probably the most ludicrous argument I've ever seen on this or any other message board .
We're not signing up as a State, or handing sovereignty to the USA by making a trade deal with them, so why on earth would we be taking part in their elections ?
I don't think you're so simple minded as to be mixing these completely different areas up, so that's just an attempt to mislead people isn't it ?
He's too subtle for you, Ronnie.
Bugger the statistics, voter democratic voice and behaviors are key here , just ask the Labour party and the Liberals ,who handed victory to Boris .Remoaners and their beloved BBC would have trouble spinning that as a negative in spite of being afflicted with Stockholm Syndrome with their desire to continue being dominated by Germany and France while paying through the nose for the dubious privilege.
This new opinion poll will also confound those who are desperate to endure as forelock-tugging EU serfs.
Bring It on USA
I guess if I was afflicted by a compulsive urge to arrive home each day and make a comment on everything that has moved, regardless of how trite and inane that comment looked, I might choose to use a discredited poll from 18 months ago rather than yesterday's Government announcement that the best it can hope for a trade deal with the US is a boost that is thirty times smaller than leaving the single market and customs union.Bugger the statistics, voter democratic voice and behaviors are key here , just ask the Labour party and the Liberals ,who handed victory to Boris .
Bring It on USA
Still Project Fear, suck it up Remoaners you lost and all that!
What a fact is we left Europe decided by the people twice.
We need trade deal with someone ( who knows this is poker to force Europe's hand ??)
America is not an evil empire they eat drink and trade well .
Project fear existed on bot sides of the referendum and last election everywhere concerning the evil USA .
The result of all this folk bought into the side of the fear they believed or wanted.
Polls are polls , results are results
What, we advertise how poor the relative deal we are seeking with the US is going to be just before we begin trade talks with the EU. Proper Bret Maverick stuff that, fair play!
I get the feeling that some people on the left are hoping that Britain fails.
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'Using statistics like a drunk man uses a lamppost, for support rather than illumination'
The primary purpose of polling these days is to drive public opinion not record it.
I think we should close Dover for two weeks. Might give people an indication of what no deal Brexit will be all about and stop those advocating no deal Brexit harping back to crap references about a war they never lived through.
Bearing in mind people have a meltdown if they can’t get WiFi in a public place and rang 999 when kfc ran out of chicken be interesting to see the spirit of the Blitz come though then.
Four out of the five posters I thought I'd trigger have crossed the finishing line. I'm awaiting Cardiff Irish to weigh in for the accumulator to be in the money.
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