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I thought of Payne Stewart when I saw the opening post, but he didn't die of Carbon Monoxide poisoning did he?
This changes everything.
If the pilot had a similar level of carboxyhaemoglobin to Emiliano , which seems certain , then he'd probably have passed out at the controls or at least been unable to co ordinate his movements. Thus, all the other factors become superfluous to the actual cause of the accident, and are relegated to free standing potential criminal offences and health and safety infringements.
In the absence of toxicology for the pilot, it cannot be absolutely proven though, and so I'd anticipate an open verdict at the inquest.
The legal argument now will be between the alternatives of poor maintainance and some " act of God" such as a rupture in an exhaust system which couldn't have been anticipated. It doesn't make a finding of some liability on the part of the club impossible , but it makes that less likely.
I’d say whoever owns the plane might be in a spot of bother.Originally Posted by RonnieBird
It just further paints a horrible picture of Emliano's and Dave Ibbotson's last moments culminating in the crash.
Well, perhaps we can take some tiny comfort from the likelihood that they were probably both unconscious by the time control of the aircraft was lost. It doesn't bear thinking about does it ?
It also reinforces the feeling that the plane wasn’t fit for purpose.
Awful news. I'm not sure our resident Aeronautical Engineer predicted that one.
What's that supposed to mean? It doesn't affect anything that is already known about the pilot requesting a controlled decent of the aircraft to a lower altitude. If it was a medical situation, the pilot would have requested an emergency landing. Sometimes you are too clever by half.
Did you think that i was referring to you?
It doesn't matter who you are referring to, I am just pointing out that the presence of carbon monoxide is an extra layer of mystery, that doesn't necessarily explain the previous request for descent to a lower altitude.
Who knows?
He certainly did not. To be fair, did anyone actually?
Well, no, that's why i said at the time that people should pipe down a bit as they haven't got a ****ing clue what happened. In the nicest possible way though.
We know the weather was bad, the pilot requested a descent, and the plane disappeared off the radar without making a mayday call.
Yup, but not the other bit, which i quite important in the scheme of things.
No. The plane in his case never pressurised. Suffocating all on board.
As usual the jacks have got it all sussed....
https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/footba...lane-crash/#23
Incredible you can get so many stupid people together on one thread....
Two points
Payne Stewart died of Hypoxia lack of oxygen at altitude. The private jet did not pressurise. You get happier and pass out.
The pilot on Emilianos flight had contact with ATC not too long before the crash I recall.
I want to read the report before tryi g to figure this latest revelation out.
As biased as the stupider members of this board. I don't know how you can read it.
If a Jack ordered a new caravan for £13k, and the seller arranged it to be transported on a dodgy truck with a half blink truck driver who wasn’t insured- and when it was then involved in a crash and written off - would they still pay for the caravan.
Christ you’re lucky to get 1p in the £1 from them on a good day.
There's a lot of bollocks spoken in that thread but they're absolutely right in saying the club should give something to the family. Even if we're holding back on paying the transfer (which to be honest I wish we weren't doing) then a gesture to show that we'll look after his family would go a long way.
If the pilot did have verbal contact with the ATC not too long before the crash, surely it rules out carboxyhaemoglobin in his body , surely he'd display orvsay something in the conversation ,would the younger fitter man (Sala ) be less effected ,did or could the pilot have left the plane before Sala , If the court excepts Sala was effected surely if the pilot was on the same small space it doesn't need his body as evidence ,it's about the carbon being in the plane , and being the cause , not how many bodies that have been found ??
It seems to me that the point they are missing is that the Mackay clan were working for Nantes as well as Sala in this matter. If Nantes or their representative arrange a flight that turns out to be unsafe due to inappropriate pilot/inappropriate plane or whatever it is no wonder we do not wish to pay irregardless of the contractual situation. I am sure that Swansea would do the same if they were in our position.
I would also guess that both clubs would like to make a financial provision for the Sala family but to do so at this stage might imply liability. When the legal wrangling has been sorted then something may happen.
Or was purposely made ‘not fit for purpose ‘
I’ve never ruled out foul play - especially when you look at the backgrounds of some of the characters involved in the deal.
Easy to think for example that McKay might have upset someone even more vile than he is, given his debt situation and how it’s alledged the debts were incurred.
£1.5m riding on this deal for him.
Hopefully not true, but also not beyond the realms of possibility
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