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Thread: Marlon Pack

  1. #51

    Re: Marlon Pack

    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch Mort View Post
    The transfer committee consists of 4 people 3 of which, in my view, know very little about football. Those 3 probably determine the net budget with VT having the final say but who to sign will be down to one person only. If recruitment is shambolic, and there is no doubt that poor and expensive decisions have been made, then it is only down to one person.
    I'm not trying to exonerate the manager, but who decided that we should recruit players in this way?

  2. #52

    Re: Marlon Pack

    Quote Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy View Post
    I'm not trying to exonerate the manager, but who decided that we should recruit players in this way?
    Probably because VT thought that he was being taken to the cleaners in previous transfers and he thought that a transfer committee might sort that problem. As a consequence it seems that the current arrangements allow for shambolic transfer recruitment but within budget.

  3. #53

    Re: Marlon Pack

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve the Tea View Post
    Lack of investment, Bob.

    StT.
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    That is only one part of the jigsaw though StT...

    Warnock has done magnificently in certain areas... he brought the fans together and brought the team together and brought a sense of team spirit.

    You have to also concede though that his playing style is limited if you are to stay up and also there were cheaper players available who he ignored. Also I wonder if we miss out on players who worry about the game time they will get and the style of play we adopt

    Signings we spent money on last season such as Reid, Cunningham and Smithies were hardly given game time... so it was wasted investment rather than lack of investment.

    Also it is alarming that he has completely neglected the youth system and there is still no route for young players to make their way into the senior squad

  4. #54

    Re: Marlon Pack

    Quote Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy View Post
    We didn't get relegated because of the 'message' coming out of Cardiff City Stadium. We got relegated because we had the weakest squad in the division, which is because our player recruitment, apart from a brief period soon after Neil Warnock was appointed, has been shambolic ever since Vincent Tan fell out with Malky Mackay and Iain Moody.
    We didn't have the weakest squad in the division, it's pretty obvious Huddersfield did and, for all of their spending, Fulham were shambolic defensively - they only got as close to us as they did because of a decent run after their relegation had been confirmed. Claims such as yours play right into the didn't we do well to get so close to staying up mentality that takes no account of facts such as the size of our average attendance last season - we should be on a par with clubs like Leicester, Brighton, Wolves and Southampton given our potential and doing better than teams such as Watford and Bournemouth, but as soon as we get close to doing so, we get all coy and have the football equivalent of a nose bleed.

  5. #55

    Re: Marlon Pack

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    We didn't have the weakest squad in the division, it's pretty obvious Huddersfield did and, for all of their spending, Fulham were shambolic defensively - they only got as close to us as they did because of a decent run after their relegation had been confirmed. Claims such as yours play right into the didn't we do well to get so close to staying up mentality that takes no account of facts such as the size of our average attendance last season - we should be on a par with clubs like Leicester, Brighton, Wolves and Southampton given our potential and doing better than teams such as Watford and Bournemouth, but as soon as we get close to doing so, we get all coy and have the football equivalent of a nose bleed.
    Our first choice XI was better than Huddersfield and Fulham last season, but we did have the weakest squad in the division - remember the subs bench at Fulham.

    Sunderland had an average attendance of over 32,000 playing in League One last season. Leeds had an average attendance of over 34,000 and they haven't played in the Premier League for 15 years. It just doesn't matter in modern football.

  6. #56

    Re: Marlon Pack

    Quote Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy View Post
    Our first choice XI was better than Huddersfield and Fulham last season, but we did have the weakest squad in the division - remember the subs bench at Fulham.

    Sunderland had an average attendance of over 32,000 playing in League One last season. Leeds had an average attendance of over 34,000 and they haven't played in the Premier League for 15 years. It just doesn't matter in modern football.

    We had Josh Murphy and Bobby Reid on the bench that day.

    Warnock chose Rhys Healey and Danny Ward to come on before them. Reid came on with 3 minutes to go and Murphy didn't appear at all!!

  7. #57

    Re: Marlon Pack

    Quote Originally Posted by thehumblegringo View Post
    We had Josh Murphy and Bobby Reid on the bench that day.

    Warnock chose Rhys Healey and Danny Ward to come on before them. Reid came on with 3 minutes to go and Murphy didn't appear at all!!
    Brian Murphy was on the bench. Josh Murphy was left out of the matchday squad entirely because apparently he hadn't trained well in the week.

  8. #58

    Re: Marlon Pack

    What chance is there of Pack being fit tonight?

  9. #59

    Re: Marlon Pack

    Quote Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird View Post
    That is only one part of the jigsaw though StT...

    Warnock has done magnificently in certain areas... he brought the fans together and brought the team together and brought a sense of team spirit.

    You have to also concede though that his playing style is limited if you are to stay up and also there were cheaper players available who he ignored. Also I wonder if we miss out on players who worry about the game time they will get and the style of play we adopt

    Signings we spent money on last season such as Reid, Cunningham and Smithies were hardly given game time... so it was wasted investment rather than lack of investment.

    Also it is alarming that he has completely neglected the youth system and there is still no route for young players to make their way into the senior squad
    This sums up my thoughts exactly.

  10. #60

    Re: Marlon Pack

    Quote Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy View Post
    Brian Murphy was on the bench. Josh Murphy was left out of the matchday squad entirely because apparently he hadn't trained well in the week.
    Well that's even worse for such a must win game

  11. #61

    Re: Marlon Pack

    Quote Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy View Post
    We didn't get relegated because of the 'message' coming out of Cardiff City Stadium. We got relegated because we had the weakest squad in the division, which is because our player recruitment, apart from a brief period soon after Neil Warnock was appointed, has been shambolic ever since Vincent Tan fell out with Malky Mackay and Iain Moody.
    We were relegated because we could not score enough goals. Only one team score less than us and they finished rock bottom.
    However, one team conceded more than us and stayed up because they scored 21 more goals which delivered 11 more points.

    We didn't have a premier league striker at the start of the season, and the one we signed/were in the process of signing/never signed met an unfortunate fate. We were unlucky, but we were certainly not significantly worse than Burnley or Brighton. And if the Chelsea game had VAR we might well still be up.

  12. #62

    Re: Marlon Pack

    Quote Originally Posted by The Gifaffe View Post
    And if the Chelsea game had VAR we might well still be up.
    This again.....

    If VAR was in operation for the Chelsea game, the visitors would have been awarded a penalty within the first few minutes.

  13. #63

    Re: Marlon Pack

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    This again.....

    If VAR was in operation for the Chelsea game, the visitors would have been awarded a penalty within the first few minutes.
    We would have had a penalty awarded every time we had a corner or a long throw into the area if VAR was in operation.

  14. #64

    Re: Marlon Pack

    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBlue View Post
    We would have had a penalty awarded every time we had a corner or a long throw into the area if VAR was in operation.
    Possibly would have got into Europe then, provided someone could take penalties.

  15. #65

    Re: Marlon Pack

    Quote Originally Posted by The Gifaffe View Post
    We were relegated because we could not score enough goals. Only one team score less than us and they finished rock bottom.
    However, one team conceded more than us and stayed up because they scored 21 more goals which delivered 11 more points.

    We didn't have a premier league striker at the start of the season, and the one we signed/were in the process of signing/never signed met an unfortunate fate. We were unlucky, but we were certainly not significantly worse than Burnley or Brighton. And if the Chelsea game had VAR we might well still be up.
    However, we are significantly worse than Burnley and Brighton now. What an utter debacle of club management; one step forward, nine steps back.

  16. #66

    Re: Marlon Pack

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Possibly would have got into Europe then, provided someone could take penalties.
    Almost certainly. Probably would have VAR'd our way to the very top. If only the club had had the foresight to remain in the EPL.

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