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Thread: Give Warnock until the Hull game.

  1. #1

    Give Warnock until the Hull game.

    If we don't improve considerably then Cardiff should let him go so that a new manager can have until January to decide who he would like to bring in and then have time to work with the squad ready for more changes next summer..

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    Re: Give Warnock until the Hull game.

    Quote Originally Posted by stan butler View Post
    If we don't improve considerably then Cardiff should let him go so that a new manager can have until January to decide who he would like to bring in and then have time to work with the squad ready for more changes next summer..
    I think a few of us who were there last night would probably feel that is about a month too long .

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    Re: Give Warnock until the Hull game.

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    I think a few of us who were there last night would probably feel that is about a month too long .
    I think the way itís going itís obvious to me he isnít going to work out this season.

    Too many signs there now. Yes not many games played etc but I think the early signs are that itís going to be a struggle and Iíd be impressed if we made a challenge to the play offs.

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    Re: Give Warnock until the Hull game.

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    I think a few of us who were there last night would probably feel that is about a month too long .
    If the performance is similar to last night on friday, i dont think he will make it past the weekend.

  5. #5

    Re: Give Warnock until the Hull game.

    No manager could do any better with that squad. The players bought on the cheap are clearly not up to it even though I guess Luton's squad cost far less. Warnock is a good man manager but his transfer dealings have been very poor.

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    Re: Give Warnock until the Hull game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    No manager could do any better with that squad.
    I agree with you. This is why removing Warnock during the season makes no sense. I don't think his job is under threat unless things go really badly.

    It's still early doors but if the season continues in the same vein, the decision to persist with Neil will look very poor. After the career he has had it would be a massive shame for it to fizzle.

  7. #7

    Re: Give Warnock until the Hull game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    I agree with you. This is why removing Warnock during the season makes no sense. I don't think his job is under threat unless things go really badly.

    It's still early doors but if the season continues in the same vein, the decision to persist with Neil will look very poor. After the career he has had it would be a massive shame for it to fizzle.
    So basically, a manager can prolong the safety of his job, by bringing in a pile of dross that no other manager could get playing well?
    Warnocks a genius!!!

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    Re: Give Warnock until the Hull game.

    The panic on this forum would suggest a relegation battle.

    If we got rid of Warnock we should hire him a week later on a short term contract as there wouldn't be any better for that.

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    Re: Give Warnock until the Hull game.

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    So basically, a manager can prolong the safety of his job, by bringing in a pile of dross that no other manager could get playing well?
    Warnocks a genius!!!
    Probably preferable to Tan than having a new boss who wants lots to spend.

  10. #10

    Re: Give Warnock until the Hull game.

    If Warnock had gone for broke in the Caraboa Cup against Luton then i would have been one of the first to call for him to be shown the door but when you consider the injuries list i think Warnock is taking into account Championship division survival and yes even the posiibility of promotion. But to give him until the Hull game (3 matches) to improve as one bright spark suggested borders on the idiotic! Patience is the name of the game here. No one likes City losing more than me but we've got to give the man a chance for Christ's sake. Even if we don't get promoted this season is it the end of the world? I will bet that when Warnock leaves/retire whoever comes into replace will be proud to manage the squad he imherits.

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    Re: Give Warnock until the Hull game.

    Quote Originally Posted by noodles View Post
    If Warnock had gone for broke in the Caraboa Cup against Luton then i would have been one of the first to call for him to be shown the door but when you consider the injuries list i think Warnock is taking into account Championship division survival and yes even the posiibility of promotion. But to give him until the Hull game (3 matches) to improve as one bright spark suggested borders on the idiotic! Patience is the name of the game here. No one likes City losing more than me but we've got to give the man a chance for Christ's sake. Even if we don't get promoted this season is it the end of the world? I will bet that when Warnock leaves/retire whoever comes into replace will be proud to manage the squad he imherits.
    I want him sacked for not trying to win a game. Youíd have wanted him sacked if he had tried to win it.
    Houston. We have a problem!!

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    Re: Give Warnock until the Hull game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    I agree with you. This is why removing Warnock during the season makes no sense. I don't think his job is under threat unless things go really badly.

    It's still early doors but if the season continues in the same vein, the decision to persist with Neil will look very poor. After the career he has had it would be a massive shame for it to fizzle.
    As long as we are going to stay up, it makes no sense to keep Warnock if we aren't in a position to go up. We might as well get our new manager time to see the squad and implement his style of play. Whoever comes in is going to need to overhaul our approach and it will take time.

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    Re: Give Warnock until the Hull game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
    As long as we are going to stay up, it makes no sense to keep Warnock if we aren't in a position to go up. We might as well get our new manager time to see the squad and implement his style of play. Whoever comes in is going to need to overhaul our approach and it will take time.
    Of course, but no one can really say where we will finish yet, we've played 5 league matches with 41 to go. By his own admission if promotion isn't happening he will leave before the end of the season, even if he doesn't the board need to be looking.

  14. #14

    Re: Give Warnock until the Hull game.

    Quote Originally Posted by noodles View Post
    If Warnock had gone for broke in the Caraboa Cup against Luton then i would have been one of the first to call for him to be shown the door but when you consider the injuries list i think Warnock is taking into account Championship division survival and yes even the posiibility of promotion. But to give him until the Hull game (3 matches) to improve as one bright spark suggested borders on the idiotic! Patience is the name of the game here. No one likes City losing more than me but we've got to give the man a chance for Christ's sake. Even if we don't get promoted this season is it the end of the world? I will bet that when Warnock leaves/retire whoever comes into replace will be proud to manage the squad he imherits.
    "will bet that when Warnock leaves/retire whoever comes into replace will be proud to manage the squad he imherits."
    This must be one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever read on here.

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    Re: Give Warnock until the Hull game.

    Quote Originally Posted by DubaiDai View Post
    "will bet that when Warnock leaves/retire whoever comes into replace will be proud to manage the squad he imherits."
    This must be one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever read on here.
    It's not really, on paper its a good championship squad, at best we will get a manager at our level. If it's a lower league manager on the rise it will probably be by far the best squad he has managed.

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    Re: Give Warnock until the Hull game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trigger View Post
    It's not really, on paper its a good championship squad, at best we will get a manager at our level. If it's a lower league manager on the rise it will probably be by far the best squad he has managed.
    No it isnít.

    In the summer weíve signed players from Rotherham, Oxford and Newport. All of them look out of their depth.

    Weíve also signed another Fred and replaced Reid with Vassell.

    Weíve also let some of our better players leave.

    The squad is crap, itís actually worse than the one that started the 17/18 season and itís had about 40m million spent on it!!!

    This is all Warnocks doing and itís time to go. Warnockball has run its course.

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    Re: Give Warnock until the Hull game.

    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    No it isnít.

    In the summer weíve signed players from Rotherham, Oxford and Newport.

    The squad is crap.
    Ah yes because the players are only ever as good as the club they came from.

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    Re: Give Warnock until the Hull game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trigger View Post
    Ah yes because the players are only ever as good as the club they came from.
    In this instance itís quite clear they are.

  19. #19

    Re: Give Warnock until the Hull game.

    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    In this instance itís quite clear they are.
    After they have played a few times for us. Ok.

  20. #20

    Re: Give Warnock until the Hull game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trigger View Post
    After they have played a few times for us. Ok.
    OK

  21. #21

    Re: Give Warnock until the Hull game.

    Does anyone trust Dalman, Choo and Tan to make the right appointment if he went?
    There's not an ounce of football sense between them.

  22. #22

    Re: Give Warnock until the Hull game.

    Can I ask if any of those defending Neil Warnock in this thread were at last night's match?

  23. #23

    Re: Give Warnock until the Hull game.

    I was going to say much the same thing, Bob.

    It wasn't just the defeat, it was the lack of a credible idea once we went behind. Thought we started quite well but again a lack of composure in and around the box meant we had nothing to show.

    Once we went behind it was as if the team had been told not to be too worried if we lost!

    Probably a touch too early to say Neil has "lost the dressing room" but I do think Fulham on Friday might give us an answer to that.

  24. #24

    Re: Give Warnock until the Hull game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trigger View Post
    The panic on this forum would suggest a relegation battle.

    If we got rid of Warnock we should hire him a week later on a short term contract as there wouldn't be any better for that.
    Not panic here.

    Iím just not seeing much in the performances to suggest it can get better, itís got nothing to do with the results so far.

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    Re: Give Warnock until the Hull game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trigger View Post
    After they have played a few times for us. Ok.
    What, in your opinion of what you have seen of them, makes you think they'll be vital parts of a promotion push? Just curious.

  26. #26

    Re: Give Warnock until the Hull game.

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Can I ask if any of those defending Neil Warnock in this thread were at last night's match?
    With respect that is the most ludicrous question to ask. Are you really suggesting that only those who attended last night's match are entitled to an opinion?

    For the record I didn't go. I didn't think it was worth travelling for 300 miles and a possible overnight stay to watch a match against a side we have already played. Indeed there are many long distance travellers like me who didn't attend but are not entitled to an opinion according to the inference in the question.

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    Re: Give Warnock until the Hull game.

    I was at the game and it was crap like 85% of the season so far.
    I wanted Warnock gone at the end of last season but to be honest the people above him that have little football knowledge took the easy option and kept him on.
    It was the ideal time for him to go, a new manager would have had parachute payments and not too much expectation on their shoulders they could have changed the whole ethos of the club from academy to first team.

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    Re: Give Warnock until the Hull game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trigger View Post
    Of course, but no one can really say where we will finish yet, we've played 5 league matches with 41 to go. By his own admission if promotion isn't happening he will leave before the end of the season, even if he doesn't the board need to be looking.
    I would expect they are looking at it now.

    Knowing that lot they've put a tentative offer to Richard Branson and put the feelers out for Alf Ramsey.

    That is the one downside of Warnock going. The Laurel and Hardy set up behind the scenes charged with replacing him.

  29. #29

    Re: Give Warnock until the Hull game.

    Last night showed how paper thin the squad is witH Etheridge, Bamba, NML and Pack out injured and Paterson not looking fit at all (or even looking like a footballer). I never liked Warnock until he came to us, still don't very much, but do admire what he did in his first season and then to get us up two years ago was incredible. Fulham had that amazing run and still couldn't catch us.

    Last season was poor and we got relegated and this season hasn't started well. His transfer windows, the last 4 haven;'t gone too well with millions wasted on players who are not even regulars (I exclude Etheridge). I am also fed up of this plucky underdog routine he goes on about. That attitude cost us and he's at it again already saying we should to hang on to the coat tails of Leeds etc, he'll be lucky if we do.

    Also when we got promoted, his speeches along the lines of 'when I got here look where the club was' 'I did this'. Well Neil you also took us down and have us playing shit football with a tactic last night of get it back to Flint and hoof it up the front. Time tot go. I don';t see why all the love ins with him, other managers have got us promoted, Mackay, Lawrence, Cork (I think), May, Burrows, Ashurst, Andrews etc but nobody recognises them as much. Dave Jones had us playing the best football I've seen at Cardiff since about 1970 and everybody moans about him because 1) we didn't get up 2) He was miserable.

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    Re: Give Warnock until the Hull game.

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Can I ask if any of those defending Neil Warnock in this thread were at last night's match?
    No one needed to be there to watch the reserves trying some experiments in a competition which doesn't matter to us, including giving a full 90 mins to some bench players.

    A remarkable number of people here, ( who seem to understand very little about the game frankly), seem to think that if Sir Neil left then Jurgen Klopp or Mourhinio someone would step in and we'd commence a policy of sunshine football which would very soon see us in the Champions League. After all, it's only the manager and his inexperience stopping that, isn't it ?

    I mean, we were doing all that and dominating the big clubs before he came along and spoiled it all ,weren't we ?

    Not as if he's had us punching above our weight or anything, is it ?


    Now, let's tune into Reality FM for a moment . This is a pied piper situation, and the likely outcome of losing the manager, chairman or owner would be to go down like a lead balloon. The reality is that they've jointly taken the club to new heights which had seemed unimaginable for over 50 years , but that the millennial generation demands instant gratification without reference to practical considerations and has no connection to the concept of self preservation in a competitive world, and it now seems that a few simple souls who are old enough to know better have joined them in their suicudal delusions of grandeur and illusions that we have the resources to compete with Manchester City on their own terms.

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