Warnock getting the best out the team/squad again..

[Pedro de la Rosa]

That’s 3,420 minutes of your life spent watching substandard football though.

You’ve got to reeeeally enjoy winning to put up with that many hours of dirge. I reckon you’d lose interest after 10 games.

I think I’d sacrifice 6 spots for a bit of quality on the way. Play off spot with some local youngsters and some creative play and some slick passing. Call me a purist.

Winning is ace. 17/18 was one of the best seasons of all time and it wasn't because of the football we played.

[the other bob wilson]

We still look like a side who is trying to adjust and develop its style , the positiveness is everyone put an effort in,were tough and wont be bullied ,which goes a long way in this league especially in the mid week winter period .

We lack something up front ,we don't seem to have that threat we had last time around from the wingers where teams could not cope with Mendez-Laing and Junior at times ( both I feel have not hit the ground running as first teamer's ,is he protecting them,does Junior have 90 minute game now ??)

I think he is persevering with Whyte to get his confidence up and give him critical game time ,knowing he has the talent on the bench to help the lad ,its important we try and develop the lad .

Agree the center backs are beginning to settle , Bennett is a bit off his game and Pelts is Pelts steady eddie full back .

The keeper situation will become very interesting soon , will it make a difference I'm not sure ?

Midfield is always the fans moan and groan area , if you make a mistake there your toast , unlike a forward who gets a ( oooh if only he had got there earlier , or that was bad luck)

Ralls in my view is a fine player always out a shift in for us if surrounded by better players he'd be even more effective , trouble we have he has been left to carry it all since Gunnerson has gone, and the unfortunate injury too Pack.

Its easy to blame Warnock and transfers and god don't we have bad luck with that , always felt Wales is not the first choice for English based players in the North Midland and London ,hence the arrivals from Scotland / Ireland and along the M4 up to Reading.

Do agree though we lack decent fullback cover at the moment plus one midfielder as Vaulks hasn't turned up and our German striker h
needs goals and some luck .

In what was bought in I think Flint , Pack were very shrewd purchases.

Perhaps we wont pay those inflated wages of other players ( which is an owner decision )

Many teams fall badly down the Championship once relegated , we don't seem to have fallen that far some players like Bennett , Laing and Morrison , seem a bit off their game , losing Etherdige as we did may have cost us those vital first game momentum results and then Pack bit unlucky if you ask me not bad management .

I for one was glad to see Ward on , as Boggle didn't look like scoring , and Ward when fit is good at this level , he needs game time surely ??.

What we don't see is the training pitch, in terms of effort and attitude , perhaps that's the one of the issues ??

I'm fairly happy at the moment as we looking solid , we can scrape out a result , we are 3 points off 6th , 5 points off the top ,not playing that well , need we forget its a long tough wearing season in the Championship .

We have been unlucky really with our new players signing Vaulks. Pack , Flint , Whyte , Nelson and Glatzel , and we didn't foresee the Reid sulk coming ( he or Ken don't seem to be setting the world on fire in their new promised land ?? )

Have hope , and P.M.A.

What would have been "very shrewd" for me would have been not letting a centreback who Neil Warnock never gave a chance to leave the club for, at most, a nominal fee and now he's playing regularly, and scoring, for a side who are unbeaten and above us in the table.

Instead, we got a thirty year old, who, to be fair, is playing well at the moment, but he could cost us as much as £6 million.

[the other bob wilson]

Warnock is a decent manager and I'll defend his record here to the hilt. He's done a fantastic job in many areas. We all know, Warnock will decide his own fate to an extent and as long as we're competitive, Tan won't sack him as he trusts him. His signings, however, have been more miss than hit.

Maybe, it's a brutal way to look at things, but all Neil Warnock has done is spend an awful lot of the club's money to get us a few places up the Championship table. I accept that getting us promoted was a bigger achievement than getting us relegated was a black mark against him, but, nonetheless, he has largely got away Scot free when it comes to our relegation.

For me, he has been a good first team manager up to a point, but he's done nothing as far as the levels below that go and that's why I hope no one at the club gives serious thought to the suggestion that he be given some sort of Director of Football role when he steps down from the manager's job.

[Rock_Flock_of_Five]

Maybe, it's a brutal way to look at things, but all Neil Warnock has done is spend an awful lot of the club's money to get us a few places up the Championship table. I accept that getting us promoted was a bigger achievement than getting us relegated was a black mark against him, but, nonetheless, he has largely got away Scot free when it comes to our relegation.

For me, he has been a good first team manager up to a point, but he's done nothing as far as the levels below that go and that's why I hope no one at the club gives serious thought to the suggestion that he be given some sort of Director of Football role when he steps down from the manager's job.

That would be a disaster waiting, if it happened.

[Divine Wright]

Winning is ace. 17/18 was one of the best seasons of all time and it wasn't because of the football we played.

I preferred the football we played with Bellamy and the likes. That squad would have wiped the floor with Warnock’s.

....17/18 is the most recent success but one of the best seasons of all time is a bit rose tinted I reckon.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

I preferred the football we played with Bellamy and the likes. That squad would have wiped the floor with Warnock’s.

....17/18 is the most recent success but one of the best seasons of all time is a bit rose tinted I reckon.

In my memory it is, I've watched us for 20 years and we've never played good football save for a few years under Jones. We did it, and we did it while managing to piss off half the division. I hated losing to Blackpool with the better team, I hated being reliant on Bothroyd, I hated losing 3-0 to Boro and I hated getting hit for 6 by PNE. The Dave Jones era was good but we flattered to deceive, constantly. I didn't enjoy playing nice football while we drew 4-4 with Peterborough. I'd take winning over any of that.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Maybe, it's a brutal way to look at things, but all Neil Warnock has done is spend an awful lot of the club's money to get us a few places up the Championship table. I accept that getting us promoted was a bigger achievement than getting us relegated was a black mark against him, but, nonetheless, he has largely got away Scot free when it comes to our relegation.

For me, he has been a good first team manager up to a point, but he's done nothing as far as the levels below that go and that's why I hope no one at the club gives serious thought to the suggestion that he be given some sort of Director of Football role when he steps down from the manager's job.

Perhaps but there's an awful lot of managers who haven't done that. I don't want him as DoF, and if this season does peter out, I'd want us to put a structure in place than can see us succeed post Warnock. It won't happen though, I just hope the new man isn't Blackwell.

[Divine Wright]

In my memory it is, I've watched us for 20 years and we've never played good football save for a few years under Jones. We did it, and we did it while managing to piss off half the division. I hated losing to Blackpool with the better team, I hated being reliant on Bothroyd, I hated losing 3-0 to Boro and I hated getting hit for 6 by PNE. The Dave Jones era was good but we flattered to deceive, constantly. I didn't enjoy playing nice football while we drew 4-4 with Peterborough. I'd take winning over any of that.

All time = 20 years. Ok. That is different.

Since 1999, 17/18 is probably one of the better seasons, yes.

[Joe Gillis]

Perhaps but there's an awful lot of managers who haven't done that. I don't want him as DoF, and if this season does peter out, I'd want us to put a structure in place than can see us succeed post Warnock. It won't happen though, I just hope the new man isn't Blackwell.

Blackwell will be nailed on, he's cheap

[dembethewarrior]

I'm glad you're here to cut through the bull shit mate. You cannot compare the resources he's had to build a squad in 2019 to what he had in 2017. We all accepted we had to be a bit "creative" (probably the wrong word ) two years ago but there is simply no excuse for things like Paterson number 10 now!

Here here

[The Lone Gunman]

It's interesting to me that Warnock was described as getting the best out of his team after it had just beaten a mediocre Middlesbrough side 1-0 courtesy of an early own goal, and after a game in which it reportedly didn't have a single shot on target of any note.

I'm not really sure what that says about the way things are with City at present.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

All time = 20 years. Ok. That is different.

Since 1999, 17/18 is probably one of the better seasons, yes.

If you'd rather watch us play pretty football and do nothing, rather than get promoted, be my guest. I know what the majority of Brentford fans would choose.

[LeningradCowboy]

What would have been "very shrewd" for me would have been not letting a centreback who Neil Warnock never gave a chance to leave the club for, at most, a nominal fee and now he's playing regularly, and scoring, for a side who are unbeaten and above us in the table.

Instead, we got a thirty year old, who, to be fair, is playing well at the moment, but he could cost us as much as £6 million.

Are you criticising Neil Warnock for not giving Semi Ajayi a new contract in 2017?

[the other bob wilson]

Are you criticising Neil Warnock for not giving Semi Ajayi a new contract in 2017?

I'm criticising Neil Warncok for what he did while Ajayi was a Cardiff player, because his subsequent career clearly demonstrates that we had a potential first team player on our hands and yet he was never given a single chance at Cardiff - he was nearly twenty four when he left us, so it was hardly a case of releasing a youngster.

[LeningradCowboy]

I'm criticising Neil Warncok for what he did while Ajayi was a Cardiff player, because his subsequent career clearly demonstrates that we had a potential first team player on our hands and yet he was never given a single chance at Cardiff - he was nearly twenty four when he left us, so it was hardly a case of releasing a youngster.

Ajayi signed on loan for us in March 2015 and then permanently at the end of that season. He went out on loan to Wimbledon and Crewe in 2015/16. When Warnock was appointed as Cardiff manager in October 2016, Ajayi had not played a single minute for the first team. He went out on loan to Rotherham in January 2017 and agreed a permanent deal with them in March of that year.

I realise that you are not a fan of Warnock, but to criticise him for this almost three years later is ridiculous.

[the other bob wilson]

Ajayi signed on loan for us in March 2015 and then permanently at the end of that season. He went out on loan to Wimbledon and Crewe in 2015/16. When Warnock was appointed as Cardiff manager in October 2016, Ajayi had not played a single minute for the first team. He went out on loan to Rotherham in January 2017 and agreed a permanent deal with them in March of that year.

I realise that you are not a fan of Warnock, but to criticise him for this almost three years later is ridiculous.

So you think that what Ajayi has done at Rotherham and West Brom counts for nothing? If nothing else, it calls into question our manager's judgement on a player who it would not have cost much in wages for us to keep.

[NYCBlue]

Maybe, it's a brutal way to look at things, but all Neil Warnock has done is spend an awful lot of the club's money to get us a few places up the Championship table. I accept that getting us promoted was a bigger achievement than getting us relegated was a black mark against him, but, nonetheless, he has largely got away Scot free when it comes to our relegation.

For me, he has been a good first team manager up to a point, but he's done nothing as far as the levels below that go and that's why I hope no one at the club gives serious thought to the suggestion that he be given some sort of Director of Football role when he steps down from the manager's job.

The entire club was unprepared, and as the senior football man at the club I feel the blame lies mostly with him and that he should be held accountable. He (publicly at least) declared he was satisfied with the squad when it was pretty obvious to everyone else that we were doomed before we started. I don't understand why the owner, the board and the fans seem happy to let this slide.

[NYCBlue]

Ajayi signed on loan for us in March 2015 and then permanently at the end of that season. He went out on loan to Wimbledon and Crewe in 2015/16. When Warnock was appointed as Cardiff manager in October 2016, Ajayi had not played a single minute for the first team. He went out on loan to Rotherham in January 2017 and agreed a permanent deal with them in March of that year.

I realise that you are not a fan of Warnock, but to criticise him for this almost three years later is ridiculous.

Why is it not OK to criticize the manager that let him leave the club?

[Croesy Blue]

If you'd rather watch us play pretty football and do nothing, rather than get promoted, be my guest. I know what the majority of Brentford fans would choose.

Surely there's a balance though? I actually think I'd rather watch an entertaining team with a plan for the future finish in the play offs than watch a team shit house it's way to second who signs players while not even thinking 6 months down the line.

[dembethewarrior]

Ajayi signed on loan for us in March 2015 and then permanently at the end of that season. He went out on loan to Wimbledon and Crewe in 2015/16. When Warnock was appointed as Cardiff manager in October 2016, Ajayi had not played a single minute for the first team. He went out on loan to Rotherham in January 2017 and agreed a permanent deal with them in March of that year.

I realise that you are not a fan of Warnock, but to criticise him for this almost three years later is ridiculous.

Isn’t it the responsibility of the incoming manager to look at all players and give them all a chance?

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Surely there's a balance though? I actually think I'd rather watch an entertaining team with a plan for the future finish in the play offs than watch a team shit house it's way to second who signs players while not even thinking 6 months down the line.

That's not what the question was. It was would I take 38 1-0 wins, or playing attractive football and finishing 12th.

[LeningradCowboy]

So you think that what Ajayi has done at Rotherham and West Brom counts for nothing? If nothing else, it calls into question our manager's judgement on a player who it would not have cost much in wages for us to keep.

Not unless you think Warnock can see the future. What had Ajayi done at the time when he decided to sign for Rotherham that suggested it was a mistake for Cardiff not to have made more of an effort to keep him?

[LeningradCowboy]

Why is it not OK to criticize the manager that let him leave the club?

Because the criticism is based on information that wasn't available when the decision was actually made.

[dembethewarrior]

Not unless you think Warnock can see the future. What had Ajayi done at the time when he decided to sign for Rotherham that suggested it was a mistake for Cardiff not to have made more of an effort to keep him?

Did he give him a chance? Did he asses him in any way when he arrived?

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Did he give him a chance? Did he asses him in any way when he arrived?

Was Ajayi better than Manga, Bamba or Morrison? Probably not, which is the long and short of it.