English voters in Wales tilted it towards Brexit

[Wales-Bales]

Opinion polls suggest two trains of thought on this. Either people are skint and don't think things can get any worse, or people have done their life's work and don't think they'll be affected.

Whose opinion polls? Some people have actually studied how the EU works, and understand the ideology of those in charge. Furthermore, I would question a lot of what the media put out, as most of it is biased one way or the other.

[The Bloop]

But do we know there will be medicine shortages.

As I pointed out in the Operation Yellowhammer thread taking insulin as an example there shouldn't be given the long storage life and a bit of foresight.

Mind you you sneered at my knowledge then and never acknowledge my response so I am not holding my breath for a reply!

Oh and as I said on that thread I voted Remain as well

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-49487770

[Parti Mellow]

Bad news because of Brexit . Good news in spite of Brexit.
Project fear most of it.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

But how can anyone be totally sure that all the doom is going to happen. The way some people have gone into meltdown just when the word Brexit is mentioned is odd. Do they think there wasn't any Job loses, drug/ food/ fuel shortages, queues at Calais, housing price crashes, recessions, riots etc etc before June 2016?

But how can anyone be totally sure that none of the doom will happen? Unless someone is 100% conviced and can back up that with some factually based evidence, they're gambling with other people's livelihoods.

If and when we finally pull out, and someone says to you they lost their job over Brexit, I can offer sympathies and say I didn't vote for that.

[Gofer Blue]

I think it’s probably got more to do with the fact that we have a high proportion of uneducated people in Wales, who are unfortunately eligible to vote.

Wow!

[Wolfmother]

I think it’s probably got more to do with the fact that we have a high proportion of uneducated people in Wales, who are unfortunately eligible to vote.

😂👏👏

[Divine Wright]

And I think Caerphilly leaning Brexit must be hiding thier English maruders in the castle and just letting them out for elections 😂

Loads of daily mailers in Caerffili. If you write something in a tabloid newspaper, it’ll be believed by a lot of people in the valleys.

That said, an amount of english immigrants move to wales to get away from brown people. This type of people vote leave.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Loads of daily mailers in Caerffili. If you write something in a tabloid newspaper, it’ll be believed by a lot of people in the valleys.

Without a doubt.

Once the EU promised legislation to clamp down on tax avoidance, much of Britain's press strongly pursued the idea of getting out of the EU by fabricating a load of nonsense that appealed to lots of idiots.

Most of the press is owned by billionaire serial tax avoiders. There's a coincidence.

[Divine Wright]

😂👏👏

It’s not their fault they are brought up in an economic black spot. They are underprivileged and poor.

It’s no coincidence that when there was work in these areas the parents and grandparents of these same people we’re bright and socially and politically engaged people.

Example. Socialist and Communist groups from the valleys volunteered to support spanish republicans against franco. That type of conviction and willing to die for ideas is something most of us wouldn’t have the intestinal fortitude for nowadays.

Just saying that social circumstances are everything. These people aren’t born thick.

[az city]

I'm just amused by the way you present conjecture as fact. I'd even go as far to say that your rhetoric has more than a hint of project fear to it!

It isn't "conjecture". It is the reasonable assessment of experts in each field.

[Tuerto]

It’s not their fault they are brought up in an economic black spot. They are underprivileged and poor.

It’s no coincidence that when there was work in these areas the parents and grandparents of these same people we’re bright and socially and politically engaged people.

Example. Socialist and Communist groups from the valleys volunteered to support spanish republicans against franco. That type of conviction and willing to die for ideas is something most of us wouldn’t have the intestinal fortitude for nowadays.

Just saying that social circumstances are everything. These people aren’t born thick.

Brilliant post-Well said.

[az city]

I don't think English voters led parts of Wales to vote Leave. I do think people with what you night call "an English outlook" on the issues led parts of Wales to vote Leave.

[az city]

Brilliant post-Well said.

Can I suggest: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03fdjsp

And I'm not promoting any view in there. Just found it interesting.

[The Hooded Claw]

Bad news because of Brexit . Good news in spite of Brexit.
Project fear most of it.

So if you took your car to a garage and the expert said that there was a high degree of safety risk attached to not getting work done, would you just shrug your shoulders and say “it’s Project Fear, innit” and carry on?

[az city]

So if you took your car to a garage and the expert said that there was a high degree of safety risk attached to not getting work done, would you just shrug your shoulders and say “it’s Project Fear, innit” and carry on?

EXACTLY.

[William Treseder]

So if you took your car to a garage and the expert said that there was a high degree of safety risk attached to not getting work done, would you just shrug your shoulders and say “it’s Project Fear, innit” and carry on?

Personally, I always take my car to a mechanic my family, friends and I have been using for yrs, and is totally trustworthy.
If I didn’t know him, and had to use a random mechanic, then I wouldn’t trust the 1st one I went to. I’d get an opinion from at least 3.
There are experts out there, who are of the opinion that a no deal brexit will be nowhere near as bad as other experts are portraying.

[Dorcus]

Personally, I always take my car to a mechanic my family, friends and I have been using for yrs, and is totally trustworthy.
If I didn’t know him, and had to use a random mechanic, then I wouldn’t trust the 1st one I went to. I’d get an opinion from at least 3.
There are experts out there, who are of the opinion that a no deal brexit will be nowhere near as bad as other experts are portraying.

Not many though: one at the last count, that loon Mitford.

[life on mars]

It’s not their fault they are brought up in an economic black spot. They are underprivileged and poor.

It’s no coincidence that when there was work in these areas the parents and grandparents of these same people we’re bright and socially and politically engaged people.

Example. Socialist and Communist groups from the valleys volunteered to support spanish republicans against franco. That type of conviction and willing to die for ideas is something most of us wouldn’t have the intestinal fortitude for nowadays.

Just saying that social circumstances are everything. These people aren’t born thick.

its worth noting that known economic black spots breed a sort of neo socialism which might explain UKIP/Brexit appeal , they see their tough lives attacked even more , with eager Eastern Europeans taking low paid jobs, putting pressure on public facilities such as dentist ,schools ,housing and GP 's waiting times , deep down I don't think it sit's well with the traditional Labour voter in these poorer areas ,which may explain the UKIP/Brexit lash out voting . balance that with the Labour voter in the bigger cities , it doesn't seem to ring the same tune or feeling , in fact they are far more tolerant and excepting.

[Wales-Bales]

It isn't "conjecture". It is the reasonable assessment of experts in each field.

The WOMD debacle put me off expert views for life. It is too easy to manipulate any outcome that you want.

[Eric Cartman]

The WOMD debacle put me off expert views for life. It is too easy to manipulate any outcome that you want.

I am glad to see you finally admit that you only listen to people who don't know what they are talking about.

[lardy]

I am glad to see you finally admit that you only listen to people who don't know what they are talking about.

[Wales-Bales]

I am glad to see you finally admit that you only listen to people who don't know what they are talking about.

You obviously don't know too much about "experts". It's not surprising really, since most people never question anything they say, because experts are very clever. It's the easiest way to fool the unthinking masses.

[lardy]

I am glad to see you finally admit that you only listen to people who don't know what they are talking about.

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[Eric Cartman]

You obviously don't know too much about "experts". It's not surprising really, since most people never question anything they say, because experts are very clever. It's the easiest way to fool the unthinking masses.

You come across as a bit of an expert on these things, I best ignore you.

[Eric Cartman]

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