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    What leave voters voted for?

    https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1...491462144?s=19

    Seems very different to what has materialised

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    Re: What leave voters voted for?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1...491462144?s=19

    Seems very different to what has materialised
    We've ended up in some weird Alice In Wonderland political landscape and nobody knows just how far down the plughole we will all be flushed. 2016 will be seen by historians as a watershed between normal and apocalyptic.

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    Re: What leave voters voted for?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    We've ended up in some weird Alice In Wonderland political landscape and nobody knows just how far down the plughole we will all be flushed. 2016 will be seen by historians as a watershed between normal and apocalyptic.
    If anybody ends up down the plughole it will be the EU, as President Trump has called time on the unfair Chinese and EU trade practices. China are now struggling to buy German products, which is sending them towards recession, and the EU still have to renegotiate a new US trade deal, which will squeeze them even further. When we leave the EU it will be with a clean slate, and we will be free to engage in the new global trade reset to our own advantage.

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    Re: What leave voters voted for?

    There is no guarantee what pug hole we do go down , or if one actually exists , at least we may now see an end result on the horizon .

    As there are many countries outside of Europe buying and selling goods and services , and doing alright , perhaps we may survive the apocalyptic theory.

    Calling all parties to vote this latest deal through , then move onto the real issues our domestic politics , which has been hijacked by Labour and the Tories for pure personal gain .

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    Re: What leave voters voted for?

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    There is no guarantee what pug hole we do go down , or if one actually exists , at least we may now see an end result on the horizon .

    As there are many countries outside of Europe buying and selling goods and services , and doing alright , perhaps we may survive the apocalyptic theory.

    Calling all parties to vote this latest deal through , then move onto the real issues our domestic politics , which has been hijacked by Labour and the Tories for pure personal gain .
    But there is a reason why countries trade most frequently with their neighbours.

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    Re: What leave voters voted for?

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    There is no guarantee what pug hole we do go down , or if one actually exists , at least we may now see an end result on the horizon .

    As there are many countries outside of Europe buying and selling goods and services , and doing alright , perhaps we may survive the apocalyptic theory.

    Calling all parties to vote this latest deal through , then move onto the real issues our domestic politics , which has been hijacked by Labour and the Tories for pure personal gain .
    Things are going to the dogs, it seems......

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    Re: What leave voters voted for?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    Things are going to the dogs, it seems......
    For older readers Captain Pugwash maybe

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    Re: What leave voters voted for?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    Things are going to the dogs, it seems......
    Indeed as my fingers good spot the dog ( get it ) .

    Useful intresting contribution though .

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    Re: What leave voters voted for?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    For older readers Captain Pugwash maybe
    Useful intresting contribution though .

    If Boris made that gramatical mistake you'd be all over that dog shit ' calling for impeachment and for him to.be sent to the kennels

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    Re: What leave voters voted for?

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Useful intresting contribution though .

    If Boris made that gramatical mistake you'd be all over that dog shit ' calling for impeachment and for him to.be sent to the kennels
    I'd absolutely love for him to be impeached but keeping him shackled in a kennel with a bone shoved in his fat gob would do nicely thanks.

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    Re: What leave voters voted for?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    I'd absolutely love for him to be impeached but keeping him shackled in a kennel with a bone shoved in his fat gob would do nicely thanks.
    He will be your go to PM soon , unless you can convince Labour to change their leader and agenda .

    Be careful what you wish for his appointment is a result of political direction elsewhere.

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    Re: What leave voters voted for?

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    He will be your go to PM soon , unless you can convince Labour to change their leader and agenda .

    Be careful what you wish for his appointment is a result of political direction elsewhere.
    He'll be gone soon because he'll have to resign. There's no need to convince Labour to change their leader and agenda because they have the best leader around at the moment and easily the best agenda, though I wish JC would get off the Brexit fence real soon.

    There's nothing to be careful to wish for because we've got the worst possible world at the moment and the sooner this shower of shit is replaced the better. I'd even prefer the Monster Raving Loony party than these confidence tricksters.

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    Re: What leave voters voted for?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    He'll be gone soon because he'll have to resign. There's no need to convince Labour to change their leader and agenda because they have the best leader around at the moment and easily the best agenda, though I wish JC would get off the Brexit fence real soon.

    There's nothing to be careful to wish for because we've got the worst possible world at the moment and the sooner this shower of shit is replaced the better. I'd even prefer the Monster Raving Loony party than these confidence tricksters.
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    Best leader around?
    If I was eating cornflakes I'd choke on them!

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    Re: What leave voters voted for?

    Quote Originally Posted by Elwood Blues View Post
    1
    Best leader around?
    If I was eating cornflakes I'd choke on them!
    And me , dont think that many normal thinking Labour voters consider him best at anything , other than being the the puppet of momentum.

    Its very sad, as a decent Labour leader and a better shadow cabinet like Hilary Benn , Yvette Cooper , Jess Phillips Andy Burnham ,Tom Watson would destroy Boris and be in power , if they were allowed too serve , and not be frozen out of the new Labour agenda and cull .

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    Re: What leave voters voted for?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    He'll be gone soon because he'll have to resign. There's no need to convince Labour to change their leader and agenda because they have the best leader around at the moment and easily the best agenda, though I wish JC would get off the Brexit fence real soon.

    There's nothing to be careful to wish for because we've got the worst possible world at the moment and the sooner this shower of shit is replaced the better. I'd even prefer the Monster Raving Loony party than these confidence tricksters.

    The whole anti Semitic thing doesn't bother you then

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    Re: What leave voters voted for?

    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    The whole anti Semitic thing doesn't bother you then
    What anti Semitic thing? I see no evidence myself. Labour is a very inclusive party and Semites are welcome.

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    Re: What leave voters voted for?

    Seems pretty clear to me and a lot of other people. Anti semitism is implicit in socialism of course, but at the moment they don't seem to be bothering to hide it much.
    It's a very evil philosophy really, as we know from the millions killed by it. I'm genuinely interested how you think it might be able to work if we tried again - can you do the same thing and rationally expect a different outcome ?

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    Re: What leave voters voted for?

    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    Seems pretty clear to me and a lot of other people. Anti semitism is implicit in socialism of course, but at the moment they don't seem to be bothering to hide it much.
    It's a very evil philosophy really, as we know from the millions killed by it. I'm genuinely interested how you think it might be able to work if we tried again - can you do the same thing and rationally expect a different outcome ?
    There's as many shades of socialism as capitalism and that has proven a disaster for millions upon millions whilst enriching and aggrandising a privileged few.

    As for Anti Semitism being implicit in socialism you're now showing your naivety. Anti Semitism is a condition fabricated by Jews. They have no monopoly over Semitic culture. Arabs are Semites and so are Assyrians, Aramites and other races. These people are all God's children as far as socialism is concerned. Zionism on the other hand counters the principle of fairness and equinimity which socialism holds dear.

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    Re: What leave voters voted for?

    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    Seems pretty clear to me and a lot of other people. Anti semitism is implicit in socialism of course, but at the moment they don't seem to be bothering to hide it much.
    It's a very evil philosophy really, as we know from the millions killed by it. I'm genuinely interested how you think it might be able to work if we tried again - can you do the same thing and rationally expect a different outcome ?
    Is your next post going to be ‘The Nazis were socialists’

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    Re: What leave voters voted for?

    Quote Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2 View Post
    Is your next post going to be ‘The Nazis were socialists’
    We have already seen that parade. Three days after being asked for evidence he posted a misguided YouTube video and provided little comment of his own.

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    Re: What leave voters voted for?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    There's as many shades of socialism as capitalism and that has proven a disaster for millions upon millions whilst enriching and aggrandising a privileged few.

    As for Anti Semitism being implicit in socialism you're now showing your naivety. Anti Semitism is a condition fabricated by Jews. They have no monopoly over Semitic culture. Arabs are Semites and so are Assyrians, Aramites and other races. These people are all God's children as far as socialism is concerned. Zionism on the other hand counters the principle of fairness and equinimity which socialism holds dear.
    Zionism is a broad church with worshippers of many persuasions.

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    Re: What leave voters voted for?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Zionism is a broad church with worshippers of many persuasions.
    Yes plenty of Muslims aren't there?

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    Re: What leave voters voted for?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    If anybody ends up down the plughole it will be the EU, as President Trump has called time on the unfair Chinese and EU trade practices. China are now struggling to buy German products, which is sending them towards recession, and the EU still have to renegotiate a new US trade deal, which will squeeze them even further. When we leave the EU it will be with a clean slate, and we will be free to engage in the new global trade reset to our own advantage.
    Are you actually bumming Donald Trump?

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    Re: What leave voters voted for?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    There's as many shades of socialism as capitalism and that has proven a disaster for millions upon millions whilst enriching and aggrandising a privileged few.

    As for Anti Semitism being implicit in socialism you're now showing your naivety. Anti Semitism is a condition fabricated by Jews. They have no monopoly over Semitic culture. Arabs are Semites and so are Assyrians, Aramites and other races. These people are all God's children as far as socialism is concerned. Zionism on the other hand counters the principle of fairness and equinimity which socialism holds dear.


    Did you really just say that anti semitism is FABRICATED by Jews ?
    I don't think you meant that - hope not anyway. You went on to mention that other peoples can be described as Semitic, but of course that's got nothing to do with anything, ( you probably got that argument from George Galloway).

    Gassing millions of people can't be excused or avoided by claiming that the wrong term was used, can it ?

    In this spirit, I'm not getting into the side issue of whether the National Socialists were actually socialists , but Stalin certainly was and he probably killed more people than Hitler. Trotsky wrote some edifying stuff about all this you know, but of course he also got himself into a mess in the first place by believing in socialism .

    Some say that's it's an attractive idea but impractical in the real world, but I tend to think you'd have to be some kind of ****ing simpleton to think it could work. How many millions of people does a political theory have to murder, starve or imprison before we catch on to the fact that it's evil ?

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    Re: What leave voters voted for?

    I happened to mention in another post at this forum fairly recently that around 99% of Semites alive today are non-Hebrew speakers. They total around 5 million and most reside in Israel. The largest group of Semites are Arabs who speak Arabic, accounting for circa 300 million. Those Semites can be bombed relentlessly (as in Libya, Iraq and Syria this century) without the aggressors ever being labelled with the anti-Semitic slur as that's reserved exclusively for a tiny minority group.

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    Re: What leave voters voted for?

    I'll bet a tenner this bloke voted Leave.



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    Re: What leave voters voted for?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Are you actually bumming Donald Trump?
    The personalities involved are irrelevant, it's what is going on in the real world that is important. But that it an old trick of the media to make you focus on the individuals. Once they get you to dislike a person, you will dislike their policies, even if they benefit the people. It works every time on those who are not very good at thinking for themselves. I call it the Pavlov Syndrome.

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    Re: What leave voters voted for?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    The personalities involved are irrelevant, it's what is going on in the real world that is important. But that it an old trick of the media to make you focus on the individuals. Once they get you to dislike a person, you will dislike their policies, even if they benefit the people. It works every time on those who are not very good at thinking for themselves. I call it the Pavlov Syndrome.
    So what policies of his are actually working?

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    Re: What leave voters voted for?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    So what policies of his are actually working?
    US economy, reigning in China & Iran, and addressing serious malfeasance within the justice department, state department, and intel agencies.

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    Re: What leave voters voted for?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    US economy, reigning in China & Iran, and addressing serious malfeasance within the justice department, state department, and intel agencies.
    Tell me more. All I see is that in terms of the economy, jobs, wages etc are continuing growth from the Obama presidency.

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