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    To the best of my knowledge no Semite (Semite: someone who speaks one amongst a group of languages) describes themselves as a Semite. We only hear the word Semite or Semitic when preceded by the word anti and it's always used in the same context. Below is a two-minute segment of an interview with a former Israeli minister who details why that tool is deployed so liberally.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    To the best of my knowledge no Semite (Semite: someone who speaks one amongst a group of languages) describes themselves as a Semite. We only hear the word Semite or Semitic when preceded by the word anti and it's always used in the same context. Below is a two-minute segment of an interview with a former Israeli minister who details why that tool is deployed so


    ".....

    Shulamit Aloni, a human rights campaigner who had led the left Zionist party Meretz, was not confessing to having made false allegations of antisemitism, as many people have since claimed. Rather, she was making an accusation against the government of Ariel Sharon.
    Governments throwing in red herrings to deflect criticism and disarm their political opponents is hardly something unique to Israel. Wherever accusations are made — about almost anything — some will be unwarranted, whether that’s due to bad faith or genuine misunderstanding.
    But it certainly doesn’t follow from that that concerns about antisemitism in the UK Labour Party today are “just a trick”. As NEC member Jon Lansman revealed in a recent interview, Labour’s antisemitism disciplinary cases are “very rarely to do with Israel-Palestine”....."

    https://medium.com/@Steve_Cooke/is-a...e-295fde27b0a8

    Even the Labour Party rejects this diversion/ excuse. Your own observation that stuff like the hollocaust doesn't matter because most Semites don't use the word is a bit worrying. In a country where so many basic human rights such as speech , thought , religion and democracy are being undermined its quite sinister to see the signs of anti semitism ,( as the world understands that expression after the death camps ), rising again within domestic socialism.
    These things are very real and very dangerous, but I fear that it's too late to solve them through rational argument since so many people are enthralled to the slavering wolf in sheeps clothing which is globalism and socialism. The very fact that some now try to justify anti semitism or brush it off suggests that things will get much worse for Jewish people .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    You could say the same for every country, and right now Germany are having recession problems.
    A country's GDP is calculated by totalling the amount of money spent on goods and services. CPI inflation during the identical period is used as a deflator because inflation reflects a decrease in the purchasing power of its currency. The same methodology is used worldwide. (If it wasn't then in Venezuela today, where there's raging hyperinflation, they'd have the highest GDP growth on the planet by a light year while simultaneously having the worst economy because their currency is practically worthless.)

    Current official GDP in the U.S. stands at 2.3%. That means the total spent on goods and services there in the past year rose by 4.3% because the official CPI inflation there rose by 2%. In reality, for reasons outlined in a earlier post, the true CPI inflation is at 10%, meaning GDP is not +2.3% but -5.7%. As stated prior, its economy has been in minus territory every year since 1996 and is why they keep piling up debt upon more debt. Germany, along with all other 200+ countries, does include what the Yanks don't in their CPI inflation figure because grub and energy are critical expenses to all citizens globally with the exception of Americans who are being stripped of their wealth by this deception. Donny is ensuring they're going to become poorer at an accelerating rate through begging its central bank to issue new debt (aka money) like maniacs.

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    Further to what you say TOBW if social media is a indicator than the same characteristics:
    1. Denial of Global Warning (with a particular hatred of Greta Thunberg)
    2. Pro Brexit
    3. Pro Trump
    4. Ridiculous analogies to World War 2
    I’m sure there are more but hey if you disagree with that above you’re a far left ANTIFA globalist communist loving virtue signalling social justice warrior 😂😂

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    When I see people who don't and can't understand the issues , such as ten year olds, tobw and Cardiff Irish expressing such strong opinions then the only explanation is brainwashing.
    If we were in any doubt about that, it's confirmed when they get so angry with people who disagree , but don't really know why.

    Mental illness is at record levels in the U.K , and that's also a clue that someone's been messing with the minds of those with lower IQ levels and limited education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    When I see people who don't and can't understand the issues , such as ten year olds, tobw and Cardiff Irish expressing such strong opinions then the only explanation is brainwashing.
    If we were in any doubt about that, it's confirmed when they get so angry with people who disagree , but don't really know why.

    Mental illness is at record levels in the U.K , and that's also a clue that someone's been messing with the minds of those with lower IQ levels and limited education.
    Is this a less then subtle way of insinuating I have a mental illness? That I’m brainwashed and in your opinion have the mental capacity of a ten year old because I don’t share alt right nonsense?

    My limited education also goes as far as having a law degree and managing to hold down relatively well paid jobs but please do enlighten us oh wise one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2 View Post
    Is this a less then subtle way of insinuating I have a mental illness? That I’m brainwashed and in your opinion have the mental capacity of a ten year old because I don’t share alt right nonsense?

    My limited education also goes as far as having a law degree and managing to hold down relatively well paid jobs but please do enlighten us oh wise one.

    Having now read what Ronnie Bird said, I may as well reply to him. About a fortnight ago, I resolved that I would not allow myself to get so worked up about what certain posters said on here and I've stuck to that resolution. If Mr Bird thinks that suggesting that climate change deniers nearly always share certain other views (e.g. the ones Cardiff Irish 2 listed) when there is so much evidence around to back it up and that suggesting that there is brainwashing going on of both the political right and left is a sign of mental illness, then I would suggest that, if anyone is suffering from mental illness, it isn't Cardiff Irish 2 or I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Having now read what Ronnie Bird said, I may as well reply to him. About a fortnight ago, I resolved that I would not allow myself to get so worked up about what certain posters said on here and I've stuck to that resolution. If Mr Bird thinks that suggesting that climate change deniers nearly always share certain other views (e.g. the ones Cardiff Irish 2 listed) when there is so much evidence around to back it up and that suggesting that there is brainwashing going on of both the political right and left is a sign of mental illness, then I would suggest that, if anyone is suffering from mental illness, it isn't Cardiff Irish 2 or I.

    Well as I also had to explain to Cardiff Irish, I didn't say that either of you were mentally ill. That was a separate point in a different paragraph and suggested that increased levels of mental illness might be the result of someone warping the minds of those who are vulnerable to it.
    Now, in point of fact the people who invented the climate change scam are very right wing capitalists who border on fascism. Don't you think there's something a bit worrying about the term " climate change denier " by the way ?
    Can you personally explain this " science" which proves man made climate change by the way , or are you just repeating the phrase ?

    It's a computer prediction you know, just like the ones Wales Online publish about the championship final table ,or predict which horse will win a race . That's about as scientific as it gets in reality and I know people of all political persuasions who can see that it's bollocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2 View Post
    Is this a less then subtle way of insinuating I have a mental illness? That I’m brainwashed and in your opinion have the mental capacity of a ten year old because I don’t share alt right nonsense?

    My limited education also goes as far as having a law degree and managing to hold down relatively well paid jobs but please do enlighten us oh wise one.
    No, I wasn't insinuating that you, Bob Wilson or ten year olds have a mental illness. Nor was I saying that you've got the mental capacity of a ten year old, but rather referring to the fact that ten year olds have been involved in politics which they don't understand by their teachers and globalist interest groups. That's a different but hugely more effective form of brainwashing of course.

    Funny you should mention Law degrees because I've got one of those myself, but I tend to think it's a different sort to yours. Mind you, the term 'education' has a wider meaning than that doesn't it ?

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    By the way Huxtering is using false logic to con people.

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    I think you're getting silly with the name calling there Jon, which is your only option I suppose.
    As far as dissecting the various incarnations of socialism in order to cherry pick the less wicked and dishonest examples, good luck with that. Similarly with disowning the better known socialist atrocities.
    I'm sure you believe this stuff, so I won't start calling you "disgraceful" or anything, but I'm afraid that most people these days just don't.
    Incidentally, it's not disgraceful to disagree with anyone or any philosophy , it's just an alternative opinion. Of course socialism doesn't allow dissenting opinions as we know by virtue of the many people it has murdered for that .
    Finally, it's just daft to say that socialists are anti racist when even the modern Labour Party has been caught out for anti semitism ....but that's where we came in

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    I think you're getting silly with the name calling there Jon, which is your only option I suppose.
    As far as dissecting the various incarnations of socialism in order to cherry pick the less wicked and dishonest examples, good luck with that. Similarly with disowning the better known socialist atrocities.
    I'm sure you believe this stuff, so I won't start calling you "disgraceful" or anything, but I'm afraid that most people these days just don't.
    Incidentally, it's not disgraceful to disagree with anyone or any philosophy , it's just an alternative opinion. Of course socialism doesn't allow dissenting opinions as we know by virtue of the many people it has murdered for that .
    Finally, it's just daft to say that socialists are anti racist when even the modern Labour Party has been caught out for anti semitism ....but that's where we came in
    Come on Ronnie, give up gracefully. Anyone can see you're just a very average guy with a debilitating grievance and shit scared of Socialism. I'm afraid you don't really contribute anything material to any debate. Give in son, you've been skewered intellectually though I imagine you could be a brilliant bricklayer or plasterer so that's all to your credit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    Come on Ronnie, give up gracefully. Anyone can see you're just a very average guy with a debilitating grievance and shit scared of Socialism. I'm afraid you don't really contribute anything material to any debate. Give in son, you've been skewered intellectually though I imagine you could be a brilliant bricklayer or plasterer so that's all to your credit.

    As a matter of fact I can do most building trades, although plastering isn't one - I can tape and joint pretty invisibly. That's because I've done a bit of property developing and I always watch and learn in life.
    As it happens that applies to everything and so I've done quite well at most things I've tried. That includes what you might broadly describe as "debate", which is something I've earned quite a lot of money doing.

    If I'd been a bricklayer or a plasterer by trade then that'd be nothing to be ashamed of though.

    How very interesting that you speak so scathingly of manual workers from your lofty socialist tower ! I'll bet you've managed to undermine the self confidence and self worth of many people with your undoubtedly average academic achievements and pomposity, but it's not going to work on me because I detest that sort of thing and I've always made a point of confronting it as publicly as possible.
    I expect I've got more academic and professional qualifications than you, but that's incidental to life in general and not superior to honest hard work - that's why I'm not scared of physical or practical stuff , which is an important part of life.

    What you said there tells us everything about "socialism" and the twatish attitudes of those who preach it. You look down your noses at the people you pretend to care about, but you think you're better than them because someone else paid for you to get an average degree in an easy subject from some former polytechnic .

    If I've got a grievance, it's seeing people like you holding people back with your bullshit because without a lot of unhappy and poor people ,your evil divisive philosophy is out of business. How ****ing DARE you speak about bricklayers and plasterers as if they're some kind of shit beneath your shoes ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    Come on Ronnie, give up gracefully. Anyone can see you're just a very average guy with a debilitating grievance and shit scared of Socialism. I'm afraid you don't really contribute anything material to any debate. Give in son, you've been skewered intellectually though I imagine you could be a brilliant bricklayer or plasterer so that's all to your credit.
    Just comparing Ronnies comment against the content of your response its a bit rich casting doubt on his intellect , (give in son ) almost Ray Winstone , (bricklayer or plasterer) arnt they the bread and butter of socialism? bit nasty to suggest they may lack intelligence because of thier skill sets , not very inclusive , or social minded 😂

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Just comparing Ronnies comment against the content of your response its a bit rich casting doubt on his intellect , (give in son ) almost Ray Winstone , (bricklayer or plasterer) arnt they the bread and butter of socialism? bit nasty to suggest they may lack intelligence because of thier skill sets , not very inclusive , or social minded 😂
    After my degree, Masters and professional qualifications, I had a fantastically rewarding career. I was an examiner for a chartered body and served on its international committee. I regularly met and advised ministers and was seconded to advise and support foreign governments before moving on to lead major change programmes and then grow my own company. I have been honoured for my services.

    Now some of these things are true, some are exaggeration and some are total lies. You can be anybody you want to be on a social messageboard and I guess if you hoover up the odd gullible sycophant per 1000 posts then if you were of a certain narcissistic tendency then you might think the effort was worthwhile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    After my degree, Masters and professional qualifications, I had a fantastically rewarding career. I was an examiner for a chartered body and served on its international committee. I regularly met and advised ministers and was seconded to advise and support foreign governments before moving on to lead major change programmes and then grow my own company. I have been honoured for my services.

    Now some of these things are true, some are exaggeration and some are total lies. You can be anybody you want to be on a social messageboard and I guess if you hoover up the odd gullible sycophant per 1000 posts then if you were of a certain narcissistic tendency then you might think the effort was worthwhile.


    It's very honest of you to admit all this Cyril.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    After my degree, Masters and professional qualifications, I had a fantastically rewarding career. I was an examiner for a chartered body and served on its international committee. I regularly met and advised ministers and was seconded to advise and support foreign governments before moving on to lead major change programmes and then grow my own company. I have been honoured for my services.

    Now some of these things are true, some are exaggeration and some are total lies. You can be anybody you want to be on a social messageboard and I guess if you hoover up the odd gullible sycophant per 1000 posts then if you were of a certain narcissistic tendency then you might think the effort was worthwhile.
    I think they are all lies, as you are too gullible for any of it to be true. You can't even spot a plot to overthrow a US president, even when every element of the plan has been pointed out to you in microscopic detail. You clearly lack the ability to think for yourself, so if your fantasy CV landed on my desk I would consider it to be a heavily embelished work of fiction

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    I think they are all lies, as you are too gullible for any of it to be true. You can't even spot a plot to overthrow a US president, even when every element of the plan has been pointed out to you in microscopic detail. You clearly lack the ability to think for yourself, so if your fantasy CV landed on my desk I would consider it to be a heavily embelished work of fiction


    He knows very well that it's a plot to remove an elected President, but he approves of it. He thinks he knows how to pull the wool over people's eyes because he's observed it in the civil service, but like so many others he doesn't understand that you can't fool all of the people all of the time.
    Like so many of his sort, he's outraged that the dominion of self appointed "experts " has been challenged by such issues as Donald Trump and Brexit. Their only answer is to try and convince the dissenters that they're somehow less capable of forming valid opinions than the self serving political elite and their gullible hangers on.

    It's not working

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Just comparing Ronnies comment against the content of your response its a bit rich casting doubt on his intellect , (give in son ) almost Ray Winstone , (bricklayer or plasterer) arnt they the bread and butter of socialism? bit nasty to suggest they may lack intelligence because of thier skill sets , not very inclusive , or social minded 😂
    No you're wrong there LOM. Socialism recognizes there are different degrees of intelligence, just like some people are taller than others because of a quirk of fate.

    However, it also recognizes that all people have natural and equally important functions to be performed in a properly functioning society and therefore should be treated with equal respect and dignity. In other words if someone is less intelligent than another it is of as much significance as one being taller or bigger than another. It is no disrespectful comment at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    As a matter of fact I can do most building trades, although plastering isn't one - I can tape and joint pretty invisibly. That's because I've done a bit of property developing and I always watch and learn in life.
    As it happens that applies to everything and so I've done quite well at most things I've tried. That includes what you might broadly describe as "debate", which is something I've earned quite a lot of money doing.

    If I'd been a bricklayer or a plasterer by trade then that'd be nothing to be ashamed of though.

    How very interesting that you speak so scathingly of manual workers from your lofty socialist tower ! I'll bet you've managed to undermine the self confidence and self worth of many people with your undoubtedly average academic achievements and pomposity, but it's not going to work on me because I detest that sort of thing and I've always made a point of confronting it as publicly as possible.
    I expect I've got more academic and professional qualifications than you, but that's incidental to life in general and not superior to honest hard work - that's why I'm not scared of physical or practical stuff , which is an important part of life.

    What you said there tells us everything about "socialism" and the twatish attitudes of those who preach it. You look down your noses at the people you pretend to care about, but you think you're better than them because someone else paid for you to get an average degree in an easy subject from some former polytechnic .

    If I've got a grievance, it's seeing people like you holding people back with your bullshit because without a lot of unhappy and poor people ,your evil divisive philosophy is out of business. How ****ing DARE you speak about bricklayers and plasterers as if they're some kind of shit beneath your shoes ?
    I would have expected you to have missed the point Ronnie so see my reply to LOM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    I would have expected you to have missed the point Ronnie so see my reply to LOM.

    More bollocks ! People are taller if their parents or ancestors were tall. It's not a quirk of fate at all. What's more you compound your self important attitude by trying to patronise LOM and telling me that you don't think I'm capable of understanding a point.
    The fact is that you're a weak man, which is obvious since your only route to self worth is trying to diminish others.

    Make no mistake though, you're not convincing anyone with your bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    No you're wrong there LOM. Socialism recognizes there are different degrees of intelligence, just like some people are taller than others because of a quirk of fate.

    However, it also recognizes that all people have natural and equally important functions to be performed in a properly functioning society and therefore should be treated with equal respect and dignity. In other words if someone is less intelligent than another it is of as much significance as one being taller or bigger than another. It is no disrespectful comment at all.
    Stop calling people thickies then because you dont agree with then, or stereotype them because of thier choice or pathway in life.

    Being respectful is a virtue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    It's very honest of you to admit all this Cyril.
    Indeed .

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Indeed .
    I must admit that when I mentioned the role of gullible sycophant earlier I didn't expect to prove a point quite so quickly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Stop calling people thickies then because you dont agree with then, or stereotype them because of thier choice or pathway in life.

    Being respectful is a virtue.
    But some people are thickos, just like some people are dwarves, that's not being disrespectful it's stating a fact. And we all happen to know which side of the Brexit debate a majority of them congregate: not necessarily dwarves by the way.

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