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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    This one got through





    Choice Votes %
    I agree that there should be a Welsh Assembly 559,419 50.30%
    I do not agree that there should be a Welsh Assembly 552,698 49.70
    Valid votes 1,112,117 99.64%
    Invalid or blank votes 3,999 0.36%
    Is the Welsh assembly the most extreme example of devolved power?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    Is the Welsh assembly the most extreme example of devolved power?
    Not really , just pointing out the closeness of the vote .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    Another example of Johnson’s bullshit.

    How on Earth are so many taken in by this utter ****ing fraud?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2 View Post
    Another example of Johnson’s bullshit.

    How on Earth are so many taken in by this utter ****ing fraud?
    Because just about all of them have playdough for brains

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    The DUP have thrown a spanner on the works.

    If there’s one positive from this farce the whole world and hopefully the Unionist community in Northern Ireland are seeing is that they are colossal arseholes.

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    Have the DUP surrendered?

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    Well done Louise Ellman, who after 55 years as a member has resigned from Labour in protest about their anti semitism.
    It is a brave thing to do, knowing that it's possible that they might gain or seize power at some point and start physical persecution of individual Jews.
    No doubt the politburo here will still deny that anti semitism exists , slap each other on the back and carry on their march towards a new soviet paradise but it would be hard for any sane and objective person to ignore this resignation as a significant thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    Well done Louise Ellman, who after 55 years as a member has resigned from Labour in protest about their anti semitism.
    It is a brave thing to do, knowing that it's possible that they might gain or seize power at some point and start physical persecution of individual Jews.
    No doubt the politburo here will still deny that anti semitism exists , slap each other on the back and carry on their march towards a new soviet paradise but it would be hard for any sane and objective person to ignore this resignation as a significant thing
    I know you've probably heard it many times before, but you really are a massive bell end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    Well done Louise Ellman, who after 55 years as a member has resigned from Labour in protest about their anti semitism.
    It is a brave thing to do, knowing that it's possible that they might gain or seize power at some point and start physical persecution of individual Jews.
    No doubt the politburo here will still deny that anti semitism exists , slap each other on the back and carry on their march towards a new soviet paradise but it would be hard for any sane and objective person to ignore this resignation as a significant thing
    Given the timing of this I can only assume it was the motion of no confidence in her from her CLP that prompted her to resign. That and the prospect of a general election where there is an outside chance of a Corbyn-led government that is committed to Palestinian rights and not afraid to stand up to Israel.

    Louise Ellman (like Joan Ryan and others before her) has dedicated her political life to promoting and defending Israel against all opposition. She was a teenage Zionist in Habonim, spent a year in Israel after university, was chair of the Jewish Labour Movement from 2006-16, vice chair of the Labour Friends Of Israel (and chair this year after Joan Ryan defected) and chair of the All-Party Britain-Israel Parliamentary Group.

    The Times of Israel called her "tough-as-nails" and "an unabashed friend of Israel".[19] According to one biographer in the Jewish Chronicle, "Ellman can always be called on to defend Israel on the green benches" (i.e. in Parliament).[20] The Jewish Telegraph said "Doughty Labour MP Louise Ellman is never scared to openly proclaim her Jewish identity and fight for Israel and against Islamic extremism at every Parliamentary opportunity."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Ellman

    She was an apologist for Israeli apartheid and war crimes.

    She was elected again as an MP for the Corbyn-led Labour Party in 2017. Having abandoned her party and party workers, and shown contempt for the voters who put her back in Parliament is she going to resign and trigger a by-election? Of course not. Like all the other unprincipled defectors (Labour and Tory) this year she is going to carry on misrepresenting her constituency, accepting her pay, and doing 'media darling' tours of the papers and broadcasters to present herself as a victim - and doing the most damage she can to her former party and leader.

    So yes, the resignation is significant and almost certainly bad for Labour, but it is cynical not brave, and a move that will bring joy to No 10, the Mail and Telegraph, and the Israeli embassy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    Given the timing of this I can only assume it was the motion of no confidence in her from her CLP that prompted her to resign. That and the prospect of a general election where there is an outside chance of a Corbyn-led government that is committed to Palestinian rights and not afraid to stand up to Israel.

    Louise Ellman (like Joan Ryan and others before her) has dedicated her political life to promoting and defending Israel against all opposition. She was a teenage Zionist in Habonim, spent a year in Israel after university, was chair of the Jewish Labour Movement from 2006-16, vice chair of the Labour Friends Of Israel (and chair this year after Joan Ryan defected) and chair of the All-Party Britain-Israel Parliamentary Group.

    The Times of Israel called her "tough-as-nails" and "an unabashed friend of Israel".[19] According to one biographer in the Jewish Chronicle, "Ellman can always be called on to defend Israel on the green benches" (i.e. in Parliament).[20] The Jewish Telegraph said "Doughty Labour MP Louise Ellman is never scared to openly proclaim her Jewish identity and fight for Israel and against Islamic extremism at every Parliamentary opportunity."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Ellman

    She was an apologist for Israeli apartheid and war crimes.

    She was elected again as an MP for the Corbyn-led Labour Party in 2017. Having abandoned her party and party workers, and shown contempt for the voters who put her back in Parliament is she going to resign and trigger a by-election? Of course not. Like all the other unprincipled defectors (Labour and Tory) this year she is going to carry on misrepresenting her constituency, accepting her pay, and doing 'media darling' tours of the papers and broadcasters to present herself as a victim - and doing the most damage she can to her former party and leader.

    So yes, the resignation is significant and almost certainly bad for Labour, but it is cynical not brave, and a move that will bring joy to No 10, the Mail and Telegraph, and the Israeli embassy.
    Why did the CLP have no confidence in her?

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    Re: What leave voters voted for?

    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    Well done Louise Ellman, who after 55 years as a member has resigned from Labour in protest about their anti semitism.
    It is a brave thing to do, knowing that it's possible that they might gain or seize power at some point and start physical persecution of individual Jews.
    No doubt the politburo here will still deny that anti semitism exists , slap each other on the back and carry on their march towards a new soviet paradise but it would be hard for any sane and objective person to ignore this resignation as a significant thing
    I don't think you should be throwing around words like "sane" and "objective" when you've just posted about a possible Labour Party-led Holocaust 2.0.

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    So, Louise Ellman should be ignored because she's "defended Israel", ( I mean that's not anti Semitic is it?), and anyone who express opposition to the growing open anti semitism by socialists is a nut case !
    If they'd had message boards in pre war Germany, I expect these are just the sort of comments which would have been put on them .

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    So, Louise Ellman should be ignored because she's "defended Israel", ( I mean that's not anti Semitic is it?), and anyone who express opposition to the growing open anti semitism by socialists is a nut case !
    If they'd had message boards in pre war Germany, I expect these are just the sort of comments which would have been put on them .
    There you go again. Can you provide some examples of the "open anti semitism by socialists" from the Labour party, please? I'm gonna need some quotes on this as so far it's been hearsay. I'm not arrogant enough to think there's no anti-semites within the Labour party - just as there will be in the Conservative party, UKIP, Brexit party etc.

    Are you only concerned about anti-semitism or do you feel that racism and bigotry in all forms is wrong? The Prime Minister of the UK and leader of the Conservative party has made numerous anti-Islamic comments - does that mean we can expect the "physical persecution" of individual Muslims any day now - or is it more the case of the fact that you're so opposed to Socialism that you've convinced yourself of something that a "sane" and "objective" person wouldn't believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    There you go again. Can you provide some examples of the "open anti semitism by socialists" from the Labour party, please? I'm gonna need some quotes on this as so far it's been hearsay. I'm not arrogant enough to think there's no anti-semites within the Labour party - just as there will be in the Conservative party, UKIP, Brexit party etc.

    Are you only concerned about anti-semitism or do you feel that racism and bigotry in all forms is wrong? The Prime Minister of the UK and leader of the Conservative party has made numerous anti-Islamic comments - does that mean we can expect the "physical persecution" of individual Muslims any day now - or is it more the case of the fact that you're so opposed to Socialism that you've convinced yourself of something that a "sane" and "objective" person wouldn't believe.

    I've got no loyalty to any political party so trying to compare BoJo's jokes about pillar boxes with the hollocaust is a bit wasted on me.
    Since you ask, I'm more concerned about anti semitism than most other forms of racism for the simple reason that it's the only one backed by a political party and the only one which can so easily ramp up to genocide, as it has before.

    Btw, it's ALL hearsay unless someone here personally witnessed it. I'm not gong to start listing examples because there's a whole investigation you can read, including the statements of victims and quotes from Mr Corbyn and others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    I've got no loyalty to any political party so trying to compare BoJo's jokes about pillar boxes with the hollocaust is a bit wasted on me.
    Since you ask, I'm more concerned about anti semitism than most other forms of racism for the simple reason that it's the only one backed by a political party and the only one which can so easily ramp up to genocide, as it has before.

    Btw, it's ALL hearsay unless someone here personally witnessed it. I'm not gong to start listing examples because there's a whole investigation you can read, including the statements of victims and quotes from Mr Corbyn and others.
    It's interesting then that after those BoJo's comments, hate crimes against Muslims rose "375% in the week following". An actual, factual example of the consequences of his words. You can't care too much about oppression if you're belittling that fact.

    I've got to laugh at this comment - "I'm more concerned about anti semitism than most other forms of racism for the simple reason that it's the only one backed by a political party". Really? You honestly think the Labour party is backing anti-semitism - and if that's the case - you're just going to completely ignore alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll of the examples of racism from the other parties - BNP and UKIP aren't backing racism? F**k off

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    It's interesting then that after those BoJo's comments, hate crimes against Muslims rose "375% in the week following". An actual, factual example of the consequences of his words. You can't care too much about oppression if you're belittling that fact.

    I've got to laugh at this comment - "I'm more concerned about anti semitism than most other forms of racism for the simple reason that it's the only one backed by a political party". Really? You honestly think the Labour party is backing anti-semitism - and if that's the case - you're just going to completely ignore alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll of the examples of racism from the other parties - BNP and UKIP aren't backing racism? F**k off

    Well no. As I told you, I don't support any party so I'm not defending any of them and thus it's not my job to justify whatever they might have said. However , in the real world, anti semitism is potentially far more serious than - for example - Bulgarian yobbos being impolite to football players or someone telling banned jokes. Why's that ? Because it can quickly result in death camps and genocide.

    The reason I say that the Monster Raving New Labour Party is backing anti semitism is because senior, albeit comedic ,members of that Party defend or deny it instead of committing to stop it. Yes, some have objected to it and some have resigned about it, but it's shocking to many people that the leadership won't acknowledge the problem.

    Look, Jews have taken active roles in that party, but a lot of Jewish people I know tell me they won't ever vote labour again and they do talk quite seriously about the possible escalation of this poison . Some have left the country, and many more have quiet plans to do that if labour ger into power. When that's happening, and it is, it's certainly a problem.

    As I said, I wouldn't vote for any main party , but if I did this would be enough to stop me voting labour and I'd hope that would be the case for a lot of decent people who regard these things as perhaps the thin end of the wedge.
    I don't mind what words people use or what jokes they tell, but anyone who wants to start actually hurting people because of their race will have a big problem from me

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    So, Louise Ellman should be ignored because she's "defended Israel", ( I mean that's not anti Semitic is it?), and anyone who express opposition to the growing open anti semitism by socialists is a nut case !
    If they'd had message boards in pre war Germany, I expect these are just the sort of comments which would have been put on them .
    Are you on your period? Stop being so dramatic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    Are you on your period? Stop being so dramatic.
    Bet you he was a prosecutor when he was a high powered lawyer . Probably a bit too young for the McCarthy era though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Bet you he was a prosecutor when he was a high powered lawyer . Probably a bit too young for the McCarthy era though.
    Very rarely prosecuted since you ask. There's no money in it you see, and these days it's done by the CPS anyway.

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    The question to answer : does Labour harbour anti antisemitism behaviors if so why,and why now ????????

    Yes or no will do

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    The question to answer : does Labour harbour anti antisemitism behaviors if so why,and why now ????????

    Yes or no will do
    Why? Yes
    Why now? No

    Hope that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    Why? Yes
    Why now? No

    Hope that helps.


    Just because it was an open goal there was no need to break the back of the net!

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    There we have it socalism in denial ,it used to be such a proud fair, inclusive institution, now its bitter and nasty and isolated .

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