What are you talking about now?Originally Posted by life on mars
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What are you talking about now?
No
Ask Dorcus .
I'm asking you, since it was you who posted it.
Dorcus's last post in this thread was:
Because just about all of them have playdough for brains
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There we have it socalism in denial ,it used to be such a proud fair, inclusive institution, now its bitter and nasty and isolated .
Might be tricky to join the dots on this for some I suppose!
They dont back it they dont deal with it , even Kier Starmer McDonnell recognises it ,as does the Human Rights Commision and the Met , aling with numerous suspensions and investigations .It's interesting then that after those BoJo's comments, hate crimes against Muslims rose "375% in the week following". An actual, factual example of the consequences of his words. You can't care too much about oppression if you're belittling that fact.
I've got to laugh at this comment - "I'm more concerned about anti semitism than most other forms of racism for the simple reason that it's the only one backed by a political party". Really? You honestly think the Labour party is backing anti-semitism - and if that's the case - you're just going to completely ignore alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll of the examples of racism from the other parties - BNP and UKIP aren't backing racism? F**k off
FFS its okay to reognise fault , the same can be said of tge loopy nasty Tories .
It's time to show responsibility acceptance , and find a fix .
This not an allusion or fake news when independent organisation have cause to investigate, the parties headquarters staff support the fact nasty cultures exists within a Panorama investigation.
Countless Jewish MP resignations.
Actual Social Media quotes .
Fake news it ain't.
You've responded to me instead of RonnieB there - he's the one stating that Labour are "backing" anti-semitism.
What did the investigations uncover, if you don't mind me asking? It's pertinent as you and one or two others one here have been saying for a while that a particular investigation was nothing but a witch hunt, if I'm not mistaken.
I have absolutely no idea how much of an issue anti-semitism is within the Labour party and neither do you.
Both Met and HRC investigations are ongoing as is Labours internal investigations mechanisms .
That's great news. Perhaps we can wait for the outcome of those investigations before concluding what's going on behind closed doors.
If the investigations prove systematic anti-semitism within the Labour party then I'll be the first one to condemn them on here.
I simply don't have the complete set of life learning skills that you were gifted with, and I think its not healthy to hang onto or follow every single point of view and comment one may make ,ita called obsession.
They were all your thoughts.. not mine. If you can't explain them then it has little to do with my "life learning skills", whatever they are!
Welcome to the strange world of Cyril the Stalker
It seems weird that labour are simultaneously plotting the next holocaust and investigating antisemitism within the party.
The lunatics and liars in Parliament decided they 'knew' that Johnson didn't want to get a deal.
Perhaps they could have waited for the outcome of the Brexit negotiations with the EU, before concluding what was going on behind closed doors.
They wanted to know the ins and outs of a cat's arse, whilst negotiations were ongoing.
What planet were they on?
Who discusses openly with the whole world, the negotiations that are going on behind closed doors.
They lied, stating there were no negotiations and that Johnson was the one lying.
They lied about Johnson not wanting a deal.
They lied, stating he wanted to leave without a deal.
They were scaremongering, as usual and feeding the intellectually inept the bullshit rhetoric they craved.
He's got a deal.
It's not a perfect deal for everyone, as that is an impossibility.
The lunatics with the pitchforks in Parliament, voted to take away the best and most important negotiating tool Britain had in taking no deal off the table.
By the very nature of the outcome of the referendum, remain should be taken off the table, as it should not be in the sights of any MP, apart from SNP, Lib Dems and those whose constituents voted to remain.
Now who do you believe?
Johnson or the scaremongering bullshitters?
At the very least, this list should show a few Labour critics in this thread that they should not be as supportive of Donald Trump and his party as they are if they are to maintain consistency with their approach regarding Corbyn or Labour - I'd say the list is, at the very least, as much of a problem on the political right as it is on the left.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeli...e_21st_century
"Bulgarian yobbos being impolite to football players" - Are you f**king kidding me? You say you're against all forms of racism yet call racist abuse by neo-Nazis towards black people "being impolite".
Remember when you were talking about being "objective". Your hatred for socialism is completely blinding you from being able to be objective.
You keep talking about another holocaust and other forms of violence towards Jewish people because of Labour but this is completely speculative on your part. Has any Jewish person been physically harmed because of Labour?
You have failed to condemn actual racist behaviour where people have been harmed and suffered other forms of hate crimes due to the language and actions of politicians from other parties.
TOBW's link is very timely as you've praised Donald Trump in the past yet MAGA racists have attacked Synagogues and Jewish people in the States... Maybe you'll show Trump the same respect as Corbyn in future?).
You're very transparent for someone who keeps telling everyone
else that they're brainwashed and uneducated.
You're transparency is essential summed up by this:
Socialism = bad
Everything else = not socialism, so not bad.
Well that last bit is about right actually.
ALL politicians are liars and crooks and their various schemes and plans are ALL faulted .
I have no belief in ANY of them , but of the various options available socialism is the most dangerous and harmful . It is corrosive to the brain and morality and seeks to inflict it's cranky theories on everyone whether they like it or not.
In fact, it's colonialism of the mind. Just as successive empires have insisted that its justifiable to force compliance upon those they invade and kill because it benefits them in the long run, socialism insists that others accept their theories whether they like it or not because some imagined , ( but never delivered), benefit will result.
Experience has shown that socialists will not stop at anything to enforce these stupid theories upon others, often resulting in many deaths and great suffering. Similarly , experience has shown that anti semitism can quickly become genocide when weaponised by fanatical politicians. Put these two things together and you have a dangerous mixture, so it's perfectly sensible to be concerned about this situation.
You say I'm transparent. Well I hope so - I've got absolutely no hidden agenda and what I say is what I mean - in this case that socialism is an evil and dangerous philosophy which should be regarded with great suspicion by anyone who regards human liberties and individuality as important.
At least you can admit that you cannot be objective about potential anti-semitism within the Labour party since you're hanging a socialist banner over the whole party which automatically makes them inherently evil.
Let's see how the rights and liberties of the general public continue to prosper under a Conservative government with Boris Johnson in charge.
Imagine if the Tories start sending black people born in the UK to another country... Oh wait, that's already happened. Nevermind, they're not socialists.
Imagine if they introduce employment and welfare policies which lead to the deaths and oppression of countless disabled people... Oh wait, that's already happened. Nevermind, they're not socialists.
Imagine if they introduce a law which give them the power tosnoopaccess all of the personal information of UK citizens without justification... Oh wait, that's already happened. Nevermind, they're not socialists.
The next time you want to want to talk about objectivity, remember that you couldn't give a f**k about human rights and liberties of UK citizens unless they're being effected by socialism.
Once again you tell me about the conservatives !
I don't think you can imagine that anyone can dislike socialism and not be a paid up member of the Consevatives.
As I keep saying, none of the main parties are trustworthy or credible, but labour are the most dangerous to individual liberties in my opinion.
I keep mentioning them as you choose to ignore every negative point made about them because they're not "socialists". Proving that you don't care about the things you proclaim to be worried about - unless they're the product of socialism.
If there are any other posters reading this back-and-forth between us, could they let me know if I'm explaining my point clearly enough or is RonnieB just being obtuse/in denial?
By the way, I note your plea for other members of the message board politburo to come in and " win the argument" with a bit of collective abuse, but that's pretty meaningless in a place where a few people hold leftist views and gang up on anyone who doesn't.
I asked if I was explaining myself clearly as you kept missing my point. I've been told that if someone is not understanding what you're trying to say then the blame doesn't necessarily lie with them and you need to consider that how things sound in your head may not be how the other party receives the information. No need to feel so paranoid - I was just checking if I was making sense.
You, WB and LoM "gang up" (if that's what you want to call posting in agreement on football messageboard) enough times - so maybe you can stop playing the victim card. It's just boring now.
Again, socialists are the ones performing in what I consider a worrying way which could have real outcomes. Therefore they're the ones I'm talking about.
The fact that the others are also a bunch of self seeking twats and liars isn't what we're talking about, and it doesn't cancel out what labour does wrong. It's irrelevant to my opinion that labour are anti Semitic , so why would I consider it ?
Like many many people you're caught up in the left/right paradigm and you've believed that everyone must be one or the other. If the other bunch of venal twats does something which I consider worth challenging , I'll do so and often have in the past ,but I'm really not in the business of defending any of them. Believe me, they like each other a lot more than they like you or me and all sides of the fake political division are just saying what they think people want to hear if that will provide them with money and power.
You keep repeating the same thing, which we've covered already. Yes, we know you hate socialism and believe that Labour are anti-semitic, will bring another holocaust and remove human rights and civil liberties - which is all complete speculation until it happens(?)
My point is that you're so blinded by that hatred that you're conveniently ignoring the actual, proven dismantling of human rights & civil liberties and the increase in hate crimes against minorities (including the Jewish community that you've put at the top of your list of 'races' that you're worried about being harmed) that have been going on under consecutive Conservative governments.
The most glaring flaw in your continued rage against socialism was when you said that "everything remotely related to socialism is evil and will only lead to death" (I can't remember the exact quote, but that was the message you conveyed). I asked if you thought the NHS was evil and you suddenly disappeared from the discussion.
We've been going around in circles for a while now and I can't point out the flaws in your logic and clearer than I already have, so I'll leave the debate there.
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