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Thread: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala

  1. #61

    Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    They would indeed, if there were any. Iíd assume any performance-related add-ons would be null and void if the conditions werenít met, but as none of us know what was in the contract, itís impossible for any of us to know for sure what Nantes are legally owed.
    I would have thought it went without saying that any appearance bonuses would probably be null and void.

    Iíd be surprised if Nantes started asking for them aswell to be honest.

    The crucial matter is whoís player he was, if he was ours then we have to pay Nantes the transfer fee. Even Cardiff seem to accept that as the point they seem to be arguing is he wasnít our player when the flight took off.

  2. #62

    Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    They would indeed, if there were any. Iíd assume any performance-related add-ons would be null and void if the conditions werenít met, but as none of us know what was in the contract, itís impossible for any of us to know for sure what Nantes are legally owed.
    So I presume FIFA's ruling [ or is it an opinion], hasn't taken the full contract details into consideration. Anyway, I don't think it's going to be a 'football' decision, more likely a point of contract law/ownership decided by lawyers specializing in this field, which is ultimately where any insurance underwriters will place their judgement..

  3. #63

    Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala

    First and foremost RIP Sala.
    But what would have happened if he didnt die tragically like he did but played for us and in his first game he had an injury that ended his career.
    Would we and he be insured for that ?
    Would the club get an insurance pay out?

  4. #64

    Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala

    Quote Originally Posted by insider View Post
    First and foremost RIP Sala.
    But what would have happened if he didnt die tragically like he did but played for us and in his first game he had an injury that ended his career.
    Would we and he be insured for that ?
    Would the club get an insurance pay out?
    Yes clubs are insured against that.

  5. #65

    Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala

    Quote Originally Posted by rudy gestede View Post
    Yes clubs are insured against that.
    Similarly if a player died as a result of an injury, playing or training. But it's whether insurance extends to death outside the 'workplace., or perhaps to an illness. No doubt we'll all be to the wiser in the coming months -or years [!] ..

  6. #66

    Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala

    It can be weird, West Ham got nothing when Dean Ashtonís career was ended in England training.

  7. #67

    Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala

    Quote Originally Posted by rudy gestede View Post
    It can be weird, West Ham got nothing when Dean Ashton’s career was ended in England training.
    West Ham did get money though - they sued the FA, Chelsea and Wright-Phillips.

    So taking that into account we should sue the Pilot, the Firm the Pilot was working for and the People who arranged the flight ( which maybe the agent rather than the bankrupt McKay - let him sue his dad ).

  8. #68

    Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Of course they could have said nothing. To me, that would have been the wisest and most dignified thing to do.

    What did City gain by releasing the statements they did? What did those statements achieve?
    Distancing themselves from McKay who was making disparaging comments about the club? The club were getting stick from the broadsheets and McKay who did his TV interview, so I don't think the club could have said nothing. They were reacting to Nantes' demands for payments while his body wasn't found, while McKay was throwing as much mud so his name wouldn't get tarnished.

  9. #69

    Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala

    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
    Distancing themselves from McKay who was making disparaging comments about the club? The club were getting stick from the broadsheets and McKay who did his TV interview, so I don't think the club could have said nothing. They were reacting to Nantes' demands for payments while his body wasn't found, while McKay was throwing as much mud so his name wouldn't get tarnished.
    This is a balanced and appropriate response that considers a wider array of variables. Unfortunately there are a few, apparently quite articulate, people on here who when they get into a debate (Iím being kind here) seem to find it rather difficult to see anyone elseís perspective no matter how rational.

  10. #70

    Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala

    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
    Distancing themselves from McKay who was making disparaging comments about the club? The club were getting stick from the broadsheets and McKay who did his TV interview, so I don't think the club could have said nothing. They were reacting to Nantes' demands for payments while his body wasn't found, while McKay was throwing as much mud so his name wouldn't get tarnished.
    Let’s hope McKay ends up where he deserves....it’s a bit of an insight into the murky agent world, not good really. Some really horrible people out there.....

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    Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    They would indeed, if there were any. Iíd assume any performance-related add-ons would be null and void if the conditions werenít met, but as none of us know what was in the contract, itís impossible for any of us to know for sure what Nantes are legally owed.
    Yes, that is my point. the stated 15M may include those things which for example by dint of non appearance would be void. So rather than clarify anything the FIFA staement compounds the confusion.

  12. #72

    Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala

    Quote Originally Posted by dembethewarrior View Post
    As harsh as this sounds itís business, and at the end of the day if he wasnít our player then we shouldnít pay. Harsh but true.

    Iím sure his family will get money.

    Why do you wish weíd paid it? So we donít look bad? Not often anyone leaves these situations looking good, both sides had valid arguments. It is what it is.
    I wish we'd paid it because of these

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    He was our player. If what happened hadn't happened any registration issues or paperwork issues would have been ironed out without any of us knowing and he would have played a week later. Saying "yeah but TECHNICALLY he wasn't wasn't ours" once he died is a bit tasteless in my opinion.

    I understand the financial reasons and that the club would have been led by the insurers and that 10 million is 10 million but personally I don't like it. It's something about the club that I'm not proud of and that's not going to change.

  13. #73

    Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala

    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    I wish we'd paid it because of these

    s2.jpeg

    s.jpg

    He was our player. If what happened hadn't happened any registration issues or paperwork issues would have been ironed out without any of us knowing and he would have played a week later. Saying "yeah but TECHNICALLY he wasn't wasn't ours" once he died is a bit tasteless in my opinion.

    I understand the financial reasons and that the club would have been led by the insurers and that 10 million is 10 million but personally I don't like it. It's something about the club that I'm not proud of and that's not going to change.
    Agreed but what if theyíve been advised whoever is supposed to pay will be insured anyway?

    Would be a bit stupid to pay if Nantes still owned him and could claim the cash through insurance.

  14. #74

    Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala

    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
    Distancing themselves from McKay who was making disparaging comments about the club? The club were getting stick from the broadsheets and McKay who did his TV interview, so I don't think the club could have said nothing. They were reacting to Nantes' demands for payments while his body wasn't found, while McKay was throwing as much mud so his name wouldn't get tarnished.
    By releasing official statements in answer to press reports, wasn't the club engaging in the exact kind of tit for tat that you accused Nantes (who actually said nothing publicly as far as I'm aware) of being guilty of?

    We'll have to agree to disagree on this issue because I don't believe the club gained anything at all by releasing the statements they did. Indeed, it's looked to me like City have simply been desperately trying to publicly distance themselves from any blame for the Sala situation and point the fingers at others, but I cannot see the benefit of doing that. It's almost like the club has been protesting too much. When all is said and done, CCFC will or will not have to pay the transfer fee based on the legality or otherwise of the player's contract. Statements about the accident or the pilot or agents won't make a scrap of difference in reality, but I appreciate you see this differently and you are, of course, fully entitled to hold such an opinion.

    I can't help wondering how you and others would have reacted had a rival club handled this situation in the way that Cardiff have, but given the unique circumstances it's thankfully something we'll never find out.

  15. #75

    Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    By releasing official statements in answer to press reports, wasn't the club engaging in the exact kind of tit for tat that you accused Nantes (who actually said nothing publicly as far as I'm aware) of being guilty of?

    We'll have to agree to disagree on this issue because I don't believe the club gained anything at all by releasing the statements they did. Indeed, it's looked to me like City have simply been desperately trying to publicly distance themselves from any blame for the Sala situation and point the fingers at others, but I cannot see the benefit of doing that. It's almost like the club has been protesting too much. When all is said and done, CCFC will or will not have to pay the transfer fee based on the legality or otherwise of the player's contract. Statements about the accident or the pilot or agents won't make a scrap of difference in reality, but I appreciate you see this differently and you are, of course, fully entitled to hold such an opinion.

    I can't help wondering how you and others would have reacted had a rival club handled this situation in the way that Cardiff have, but given the unique circumstances it's thankfully something we'll never find out.
    I think you are being very unfair to the club. As you say this was a unique situation and to a large extent the club has had to be guided by solicitors and insurance companies. I think they have done a decent job in these terrible circumstances.
    From press reports the club has helped the family financially and were present at the funeral.

  16. #76

    Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala

    We have appealed to the c a s

  17. #77

    Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala

    Pretty grim this. Whether we are right to appeal or not, the fact 9 months later this is being played out in public is horrible.

  18. #78

    Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala

    Horrible situation which should be done in private but will no doubt continue to be in the news until fully settled.

    It looks terrible on Cardiff as a club but all other clubs our size where £15M really matters would do the same. Money talks and ultimately Cardiff is a business.

    Cardiff are currently trying to get out of paying the money in the first place. If this falls through, they'll no doubt look at insurance and sueing.

    Total tragedy. Would love to have seen him play. RIP.

  19. #79

    Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala

    Quote Originally Posted by The Joker View Post
    Horrible situation which should be done in private but will no doubt continue to be in the news until fully settled.

    It looks terrible on Cardiff as a club but all other clubs our size where £15M really matters would do the same. Money talks and ultimately Cardiff is a business.

    Cardiff are currently trying to get out of paying the money in the first place. If this falls through, they'll no doubt look at insurance and sueing.

    Total tragedy. Would love to have seen him play. RIP.
    It will have come through the insurers. We're either not covered, or they're wanting us to go down every avenue first.

  20. #80

    Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala

    Very grim viewing.
    We are not being shown in a good light at all.
    Emilianoís poor family.

    As Delmbox says, as far as Iím concerned, he was our player and I bet Warnock would say the same if asked.

  21. #81

    Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala

    Quote Originally Posted by jeremy corbyn View Post
    I think you are being very unfair to the club. As you say this was a unique situation and to a large extent the club has had to be guided by solicitors and insurance companies. I think they have done a decent job in these terrible circumstances.
    I don't believe for a second that any of the club's statements have been guided by solicitors or insurance companies. The decision not to pay Nantes may have been, but that's a different matter.

  22. #82

    Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala

    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
    t will have come through the insurers.
    Is that a fact? Or are you guessing? Is it certain that the player was insured?

  23. #83

    Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Is that a fact? Or are you guessing? Is it certain that the player was insured?
    If you read the second part of my post where I put, "we're either not covered", you'd see.

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