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    We tried a trust but certain fans didn't like being left out and having their celebrity status stamped on

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    We tried a trust but certain fans didn't like being left out and having their celebrity status stamped on
    What is the deal with our trust? I am 25 so do not know the full history that well, but our trust seems significantly small and weak for a club such as our self's, they were practically non existent during the re brand years and membership uptake seems small?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris lee View Post
    What is the deal with our trust? I am 25 so do not know the full history that well, but our trust seems significantly small and weak for a club such as our self's, they were practically non existent during the re brand years and membership uptake seems small?
    Perhaps there lies the answer: generally speaking, the people who wanted fan representation/the club to care about the fans couldn't fully stomach the rebrand and the people who could stomach it were more interested in giving an owner free reign as long as it meant success. The Trust was doing good things before, the Fred Keenor statue being a big success, and is doing good things now, just on a smaller scale.

    Whether you agree with Corbyn or not, he seems to come out with a thousand new policies every quarter. Which ones is he actually going to pursue if/when he gets into government?

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    Quote Originally Posted by surge View Post
    Perhaps there lies the answer: generally speaking, the people who wanted fan representation/the club to care about the fans couldn't fully stomach the rebrand and the people who could stomach it were more interested in giving an owner free reign as long as it meant success. The Trust was doing good things before, the Fred Keenor statue being a big success, and is doing good things now, just on a smaller scale.

    Whether you agree with Corbyn or not, he seems to come out with a thousand new policies every quarter. Which ones is he actually going to pursue if/when he gets into government?
    This was in their 2017 manifesto

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    Quote Originally Posted by City123 View Post
    This was in their 2017 manifesto
    Have you seen NUFC's response to his use of them for a political stunt?

    https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news...eader-17053445

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    Have you seen NUFC's response to his use of them for a political stunt?

    https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news...eader-17053445
    I do enjoy it when club owners throw their toys out of the pram

    How will Labour recover from such an announcement from much loved businessman Mike Ashley?

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    Quote Originally Posted by City123 View Post
    I do enjoy it when club owners throw their toys out of the pram

    How will Labour recover from such an announcement from much loved businessman Mike Ashley?
    I think at the moment he has more pressing problems closer to home that worrying about Mr Ashley. It seems another of his 'close associates' has been abruptly sidelined. Apparently he Has no confidence in her. Quite sudden that.
    I have no idea what's going on in the inner circle but one thing I read suggested it is all tied up with the business of trying to oust his deputy.
    Not a good time politically for infighting or upheaval really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    Have you seen NUFC's response to his use of them for a political stunt?

    https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news...eader-17053445
    I'm sure it will bring JC his dream of takinmg Newcastle .

    In relation to his own club why his he not more vocal there ,unless he is a Spurs fan now ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris lee View Post
    What is the deal with our trust? I am 25 so do not know the full history that well, but our trust seems significantly small and weak for a club such as our self's, they were practically non existent during the re brand years and membership uptake seems small?
    It's unfair to say the Trust was practically non existent during the rebrand dispute. As someone who, initially, could see both sides of the argument and so felt differently to most of them, I can tell you that the large majority of the Committee (in fact it may have been all of them) at the time felt differently to me and were completely against it. However, being a democratic organisation, it had to represent its members views and the fact of the matter is that the first consultation with members after the decision to change colours had been announced showed that there was not the same degree of opposition to it as there was among the Committee members.

    Subsequent surveys of membership opinion showed a gradual hardening among the membership against the rebrand and so the Trust's viewpoint shifted accordingly. They played a full part in the organisation of the march against the rebrand that was held before we played Liverpool in March 2014 and produced a replica of the fans favourite blue shirt with a white and yellow stripe from the 70s (which, from personal experience, I can tell you is of far better quality than the ones the club sells every season and a fair bit cheaper as well) which was marketed as being part of the protest against us playing in red.

    Membership numbers aren't great currently, but the Trust still has regular meetings with the likes of Ken Choo and Mehmet Dalman and their website should be the go to place for an informed assessment of any new financial developments at the club. However, although I don't agree with this myself, it seems that Cardiff City's Trust becomes more of a success, in membership terms at least, when there is some sort of crisis at the club.

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    Re: Corbyn on grass roots football and Trusts

    Quote Originally Posted by chris lee View Post
    What is the deal with our trust? I am 25 so do not know the full history that well, but our trust seems significantly small and weak for a club such as our self's, they were practically non existent during the re brand years and membership uptake seems small?
    My experiences while working to get the Trust set up, serving on its board and helping to get the Fred Keenor statue built were soul-destroying. Most City fans were totally indifferent to the idea of an organisation that represented the fans, while a surprisingly significant percentage were openly hostile. The number of supporters that were enthusiastic about the Trust was small. There were some really great people among that number, but their support didn’t compensate for the disdain, abuse and threats of violence that came from a variety of sources at regular intervals.

    Many football fans, at least in this city, seem happier to criticise the efforts of others than either make any effort themselves or support those who are attempting to do something positive. Working with the Trust was a sobering experience and anyone who attempts to do so in future has my sympathy, as it’s a genuinely thankless task.

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