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Thread: FT: WALES 1 - 1 CROATIA. Match thread

  1. #61

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    I think the crowd had an influence on our goal. We were well into injury time at the end of the first half and slowly passing the ball around at the back when the crowd almost in unison shouted to get the ball up there - I think it was Rodon who duly obliged , Moore competed for the ball, it stayed up there and 30 seconds or so later we scored.

    A decent point and a hard working performance

  2. #62

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    Decent performance against the world cup finalists.

    Our midfield is simply not good enough though. I think last night emphasised why Sarri never opted for Ampadu last season. He's got potential but he was technically out of his depth last night.

    We were organised and defended really well but being in the stadium with Wales isn't what it was a couple of years ago.

  3. #63

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    I was at the game last night and so havenít seen any replays yet but, were either of those challenges on firstly Dan James and then Ampadu, that resulted in lengthy medical treatment for head injuries, punished with yellow cards?

    I not one for claiming that refís are ever biased but there were other very hefty tackles from the Croatians, especially in the second half, that might well have attracted yellow cards, whereas he seemed to be booking Wales players for pretty innocuous looking fouls. I recall Modric getting one for clattering Harry Wilson....

    Very odd.

  4. #64

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    Ampadu has been a bit disappointing the last few times I've seen him. Still plenty of time for him though.

    Tactically I thought we had it spot on. Yes they went ahead, and it could have been 2, but after that they never really troubled us.
    Croatia are an extremely press-resistant team, with the number of technical players they have, as England found out, which I think is why we weren't trying to be all over them like a rash. That would have just left us likely to be played through.
    Instead we bided our time and kept our shape until the right pressing opportunity.

  5. #65

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Dandruff View Post
    I was at the game last night and so havenít seen any replays yet but, were either of those challenges on firstly Dan James and then Ampadu, that resulted in lengthy medical treatment for head injuries, punished with yellow cards?

    I not one for claiming that refís are ever biased but there were other very hefty tackles from the Croatians, especially in the second half, that might well have attracted yellow cards, whereas he seemed to be booking Wales players for pretty innocuous looking fouls. I recall Modric getting one for clattering Harry Wilson....

    Very odd.
    Vida was booked for the collision with James, i'm not sure about the Ampadu one.

  6. #66

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    Ampadu has been a bit disappointing the last few times I've seen him. Still plenty of time for him though.

    Tactically I thought we had it spot on. Yes they went ahead, and it could have been 2, but after that they never really troubled us.
    Croatia are an extremely press-resistant team, with the number of technical players they have, as England found out, which I think is why we weren't trying to be all over them like a rash. That would have just left us likely to be played through.
    Instead we bided our time and kept our shape until the right pressing opportunity.
    Like when Cardiff tried it at reading promotion year and went 2 down maybe?

    I noticed Moore wasnít pressing so it was obviously a tactical decision. Seems it worked.

  7. #67

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    Win the last 2 games and we will qualify ( can’t see Slovakia winning in Croatia and our point last night took away the concern of Slovakia picking up a point there). If we can’t win the last 2 games we don’t deserve to qualify but can’t help thinking it’s going to be a tough call in Baku, we’re not great at breaking the lower ranked teams down , definitely need Ramsey fit and firing for that one

  8. #68

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBlue View Post
    I thought it was a gamble he had to take.

    Not a bad game in the end. I don't know why he took off Moore at 86 minutes. He worked very hard, but he wasn't out of gas.
    I think he took a knock.

  9. #69

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    Was also at the game so not 100% but I thought the challenge on Amapdu got a booking. Weak refereeing though as a) they had already done it to James and b) it was clearly an instruction from the manager at half time to shake Wales up. You can see why Croatia have done so well in recent years by combining that level of skill with that level of general cynicism.

    I really enjoyed the performance last night. Good to see that a Giggs team can dig in and show some grit.

    Waiting to see a replay but it looked like a foul by Davies in the build up to the Bale goal. They can have no complaints (although of course they did) due to their own behaviour but it felt like a bit of a let off to me.

  10. #70

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    Quote Originally Posted by caerkid View Post
    Was also at the game so not 100% but I thought the challenge on Amapdu got a booking. Weak refereeing though as a) they had already done it to James and b) it was clearly an instruction from the manager at half time to shake Wales up. You can see why Croatia have done so well in recent years by combining that level of skill with that level of general cynicism.

    I really enjoyed the performance last night. Good to see that a Giggs team can dig in and show some grit.

    Waiting to see a replay but it looked like a foul by Davies in the build up to the Bale goal. They can have no complaints (although of course they did) due to their own behaviour but it felt like a bit of a let off to me.
    Although I think a lot of refs would have given a free kick, the tackle on Moore on the edge of the penalty area in the second half was more worthy of being penalised than Davies'.

  11. #71

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone View Post
    Win the last 2 games and we will qualify ( can’t see Slovakia winning in Croatia and our point last night took away the concern of Slovakia picking up a point there). If we can’t win the last 2 games we don’t deserve to qualify but can’t help thinking it’s going to be a tough call in Baku, we’re not great at breaking the lower ranked teams down , definitely need Ramsey fit and firing for that one
    I agree about the Azerbaijan match. Apart from one game, they been competitive throughout the group and let's not forget Croatia could only draw there recently - I'm more confident of us beating Hungary than I am in us winning in Baku.

  12. #72

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    Good performance last night, I think we were the better team 2nd half and coming back like that against a quality side like Croatia will do the youngsters the power of good, and instil a bit of confidence in the players in Giggs's methods. And that was without Mepham, Brooks and Ramsey, all of which would likely be guaranteed starters.

    Agree that Azerbaijan is by no means a banker, and Hungary will be very very tough too but if we've got a full squad fit and firing, last night and the Slovakia game gave me hope that we can do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehumblegringo View Post
    Decent performance against the world cup finalists.

    Our midfield is simply not good enough though. I think last night emphasised why Sarri never opted for Ampadu last season. He's got potential but he was technically out of his depth last night.

    We were organised and defended really well but being in the stadium with Wales isn't what it was a couple of years ago.
    How was he technically out of his depth? His role was in front of the back four to close down opposition players, and break up play in what was a compressed Welsh formation.

  14. #74

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    How was he technically out of his depth? His role was in front of the back four to close down opposition players, and break up play in what was a compressed Welsh formation.
    Positioning was poor for their goal, and he seemed to give the ball away a bit trying to ping the ball about. Still have high hopes for him though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    Positioning was poor for their goal, and he seemed to give the ball away a bit trying to ping the ball about. Still have high hopes for him though
    He was actually moving to close down their attacking full back who had just gone past a number of our players and was bearing down on goal. A lot of the players were out of position by that point, so I would say it was a group effort. We were very slow to realise the importance of the game, and the players seemed to be overawed during the first 15 minutes or so.

  16. #76

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    Decent performances the last two.

    As an aside, people moan about Warnock's style of play but jesus I'm glad we get the ball forward quickly and don't waste time passing it around the back four needlessly. Yesterday was painful at times with Rodon, Lockyer and Hennessey passing it between themselves whilst Croatia stood off. The fans really got fed up 2 mins before the goal and were urging them forward.

    I've thought it's weird reading Swansea fans frustrated with Cooper etc when top of the league (or thereabouts) after a home draw with Reading and a defeat to Stoke but I can see why if that's the type of football they play. It's bloody boring.

  17. #77

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    Quote Originally Posted by SunderlandBluebird View Post
    Decent performances the last two.

    As an aside, people moan about Warnock's style of play but jesus I'm glad we get the ball forward quickly and don't waste time passing it around the back four needlessly. Yesterday was painful at times with Rodon, Lockyer and Hennessey passing it between themselves whilst Croatia stood off. The fans really got fed up 2 mins before the goal and were urging them forward.

    I've thought it's weird reading Swansea fans frustrated with Cooper etc when top of the league (or thereabouts) after a home draw with Reading and a defeat to Stoke but I can see why if that's the type of football they play. It's bloody boring.
    The amount of times we had a player making a run and it was preferred to pass it sideways really got under my skin last night!

  18. #78

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    We were very slow to realise the importance of the game

    Uh?

    Do you think half way through the first half one of the players suddenly worked out that this was an important match to win if we want to qualify?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    Uh?

    Do you think half way through the first half one of the players suddenly worked out that this was an important match to win if we want to qualify?
    Yes I do, because they weren't at the races for the first 15 minutes. You don't just not turn up for a game of this magnitude. Maybe the Giggs team talk sent them to sleep before the game instead of getting them fired up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Dandruff View Post
    I was at the game last night and so haven’t seen any replays yet but, were either of those challenges on firstly Dan James and then Ampadu, that resulted in lengthy medical treatment for head injuries, punished with yellow cards?

    I not one for claiming that ref’s are ever biased but there were other very hefty tackles from the Croatians, especially in the second half, that might well have attracted yellow cards, whereas he seemed to be booking Wales players for pretty innocuous looking fouls. I recall Modric getting one for clattering Harry Wilson....

    Very odd.
    Both Croatian players were shown cards. I thought the Ampadu foul, although OTT, was very clever as it stopped any second half momentum.

  21. #81

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    We did start poorly but following Hennessy’s early save I can’t think of another save he had to make. The last two performances have been fine. We now need a bit of luck with injuries over the next few weeks.

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    Our goal from a different angle:


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    ^^^^ this video reminds me of the footage in the new Diego Maradona documentary, do you think somebody borrowed the idea? It does show how good Bale really is though, it's a fantastic first touch and finish, and he was showing Ben Davies exactly where he wanted the ball played.

  24. #84

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    ^^^^ this video reminds me of the footage in the new Diego Maradona documentary, do you think somebody borrowed the idea? It does show how good Bale really is though, it's a fantastic first touch and finish, and he was showing Ben Davies exactly where he wanted the ball played.
    You mean the idea that someone got their phone out, pointed it at Bale and pressed 'record' on their camera?

    BTW agree it was a top finish

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacAdder View Post
    You mean the idea that someone got their phone out, pointed it at Bale and pressed 'record' on their camera?

    BTW agree it was a top finish
    You reckon that was filmed by a random person on their mobile? The panning, zooming and autofocus was perfect. There is also no shaky vertical movement either, it seems like the camera was on a tripod..

  26. #86

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    He was actually moving to close down their attacking full back who had just gone past a number of our players and was bearing down on goal. A lot of the players were out of position by that point, so I would say it was a group effort. We were very slow to realise the importance of the game, and the players seemed to be overawed during the first 15 minutes or so.
    He was at fault for the goal. There were twp players out there already, all he had to do is stand on the goalscorer and it would never have happened. Ampadu had absolutely no business in moving towards the ball. That was poor.

  27. #87

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    You reckon that was filmed by a random person on their mobile? The panning, zooming and autofocus was perfect. There is also no shaky vertical movement either, it seems like the camera was on a tripod..
    Actually upon inspection it seems that you could well be right about not being from a MB phone.

    However, I doubt that anybody borrowed that idea from the Diego Maradonna documentary you mention.
    Admittedly I have not seen this but I have seen much older films using the similar techniques of panning, zooming and focusing that you describe to dramatize events, a documentary on England's 1966 world cup final springs to mind.

    Of course the technology was in no way what it is today but the older footage seems to add to the experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    He was at fault for the goal. There were twp players out there already, all he had to do is stand on the goalscorer and it would never have happened. Ampadu had absolutely no business in moving towards the ball. That was poor.
    Their Full-Back had already skinned one of them, and if he beat the other he was 1-on-1 with the keeper and it's a goal. Allen was miles behind play and unable to defend his designated zone, hence Ampadu moved across to close down the ball and player. Our CH was stuck on the edge of the 6 yard box when he should have been moving forward towards their attacker, so that's two players who were already out of position who never did their job. BTW it's the defensive mids responsibility to close down the player with the ball, and it's the CH's who pick up the strikers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacAdder View Post
    Actually upon inspection it seems that you could well be right about not being from a MB phone.

    However, I doubt that anybody borrowed that idea from the Diego Maradonna documentary you mention.
    Admittedly I have not seen this but I have seen much older films using the similar techniques of panning, zooming and focusing that you describe to dramatize events, a documentary on England's 1966 world cup final springs to mind.

    Of course the technology was in no way what it is today but the older footage seems to add to the experience.
    I reckon it could have been done by the people from the FAW who shoot all their videos. TBH if I had seen the Maradona film it's the first thing I would try to emulate, as it's incidental to the main TV camera footage and perfect for Twitter, Facebook & Instagram, etc..

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    I think this is the aforementioned footage.
    Perhaps you would care to could critique my view WB.

    https://youtu.be/PXb306p1BrM

    I am ashamed to say that I quite enjoyed it when I saw it

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