FT: WALES 1 - 1 CROATIA. Match thread

[the other bob wilson]

Nobody complained when he followed the ball against Slovakia, and made a successful block that kept us in Euro 2020. There are too many Captain Hindsight futurologists on here OK, here's a little game you guys can play. The next time you see a 1 v 1 developing inside the penalty area, observe the the nearest player who is in a position to intervene. Does this player move away from the action, or does he try to position himself for a possible intervention? Report back when you have seen about a dozen or so cases, and then we can have a proper conversation

As can be seen in other parts of this forum, you have this habit of picking your favourites and then, after that, it doesn't matter what they do, you defend them no matter what. I'm not going to get too involved in this discussion except to say that the second photo Heisenberg posted looks terrible from a defensive point of view - it's criminal that there are six Welsh players in the penalty area and yet we have two Croatian players completely unmarked in central shooting positions around fifteen to twenty yards from goal and I'm sure questions were asked in the Welsh camp after the match as to why Ampadu and Allen allowed such a situation to come about.

[Rjk]

As can be seen in other parts of this forum, you have this habit of picking your favourites and then, after that, it doesn't matter what they do, you defend them no matter what. I'm not going to get too involved in this discussion except to say that the second photo Heisenberg posted looks terrible from a defensive point of view - it's criminal that there are six Welsh players in the penalty area and yet we have two Croatian players completely unmarked in shooting positions around fifteen to twenty yards from goal and I'm sure questions were asked in the Welsh camp after the amtch as to why Ampadu and Allen allowed such a situation to come about.

They analysed it at half time, not sure of the pundit, but they said that it was fair enough for Allen to go across in that situation, but having seen that Allen had gone to the ball, Ampadu really should have held his position.

But he's still very young.

[Wales-Bales]

They analysed it at half time, not sure of the pundit, but they said that it was fair enough for Allen to go across in that situation, but having seen that Allen had gone to the ball, Ampadu really should have held his position.

But he's still very young.

Allen was yards behind Brekalu and effectively out of the game, as was the second defender who risked giving away a penalty if he tackled from behind. Ampadu is the only player who could have cut Brekalu off from goal if he had gone past the remaining defender. He did the similar thing in the Slovakia game. I still maintain that the CH should have stepped forward, but he is also young and inexperienced. Once the ball was played inside the CH was stuck in no mans land and their striker had a free shot at goal.

[Wales-Bales]

As can be seen in other parts of this forum, you have this habit of picking your favourites and then, after that, it doesn't matter what they do, you defend them no matter what. I'm not going to get too involved in this discussion except to say that the second photo Heisenberg posted looks terrible from a defensive point of view - it's criminal that there are six Welsh players in the penalty area and yet we have two Croatian players completely unmarked in central shooting positions around fifteen to twenty yards from goal and I'm sure questions were asked in the Welsh camp after the match as to why Ampadu and Allen allowed such a situation to come about.

The point I am making is that Ampadu didn't have the luxury of reviewing Heisenberg's second photo before he made his decision to focus on the 1 v 1 situation that was developing inside the penalty area right in front of him. You make it sound like having an opinion that is different to yours must involve some kind of favouritism, but it's just what I would have done in that situation. If you watch a lot of matches you will see that the nearest players attack the ball inside the penalty, they don't think about who they should be marking just in case something unknown happens a few moves down the line. That is what Captain Hindsight armchair fans do!

[the other bob wilson]

The point I am making is that Ampadu didn't have the luxury of reviewing Heisenberg's second photo before he made his decision to focus on the 1 v 1 situation that was developing inside the penalty area right in front of him. You make it sound like having an opinion that is different to yours must involve some kind of favouritism, but it's just what I would have done in that situation. If you watch a lot of matches you will see that the nearest players attack the ball inside the penalty, they don't think about who they should be marking just in case something unknown happens a few moves down the line. That is what Captain Hindsight armchair fans do!

Have you ever posted a word of criticism of Ampadu, and a few others, on here? Your argument that he did not have the benefit of a photo is I suspect as close as we'll get from you of an admission that Ampadu was at fault because the player we all hope he will become would have known exactly how to react in such situations - I think he can become a great Welsh player, but there are going to be mistakes and misjudgements on the way.

[Tuerto]

Have you ever posted a word of criticism of Ampadu, and a few others, on here? Your argument that he did not have the benefit of a photo is I suspect as close as we'll get from you of an admission that Ampadu was at fault because the player we all hope he will become would have known exactly how to react in such situations - I think he can become a great Welsh player, but there are going to be mistakes and misjudgements on the way.

Exactly. He looks like he's going to develop into a very good player, i fancy him at centre back. Nobody is saying that he's shit. He made a mistake through inexperience, that's all. WB is coming out with nonsense.

[Wales-Bales]

Exactly. He looks like he's going to develop into a very good player, i fancy him at centre back. Nobody is saying that he's shit. He made a mistake through inexperience, that's all. WB is coming out with nonsense.

It's a mistake to close down the man with the ball inside the penalty area? And now all opinions that differ from your own are nonsense?

[Tuerto]

It's a mistake to close down the man with the ball inside the penalty area? And now all opinions that differ from your own are nonsense?

Only your opinion on this subject in nonsense. You are so far wrong on this. I'm out now.

[Wales-Bales]

Only your opinion on this subject in nonsense. You are so far wrong on this. I'm out now.

What if the Brekalo had gone passed the last defender and Ampadu had executed another perfect block tackle? Your arguement only works if he passes the ball inside and the CB never closed down the space, and Allen never moved across when he saw Ampadu closing down the ball. But there again, you are the fella who thought it was a good idea to give bad passes to your team mates in order to make yourself look good, and then you wonder why you never made the grade in football

[Wales-Bales]

Have you ever posted a word of criticism of Ampadu, and a few others, on here? Your argument that he did not have the benefit of a photo is I suspect as close as we'll get from you of an admission that Ampadu was at fault because the player we all hope he will become would have known exactly how to react in such situations - I think he can become a great Welsh player, but there are going to be mistakes and misjudgements on the way.

It's got nothing to do with Ampadu, I would have done exactly the same thing if two of my defensive colleagues had already been taken out of the game by a very skillful player, and a 1 v 1 developed right in front of me inside the penalty box. It seems like you are attempting to suppress any opinion that doesn't fit in with your groupthink by making false assumptions and trying to connect unrelated issues