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  1. #1

    Re: Prison Justice served ? ? ? return of the death sentence ? ? ?

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Someone killed my child /grandchild or abused them , or blew up innocent people in the name of some crap ideal , I would gladly kill them or watch them die in the hands of a justice system .
    Not just gladly kill bombers yourself, but in the case of the Birmingham 6 and the Guildford 4, save the country the embarrassment of releasing them when they had their innocence proved!

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    Re: Prison Justice served ? ? ? return of the death sentence ? ? ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    I have honestly never read such rubbish in my whole life.
    I haven’t opened this thread as I was dreading the boring arguing I expected to see, but fooking hell am I glad I did, just to read these posts by DV

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    Re: Prison Justice served ? ? ? return of the death sentence ? ? ?

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    So the vast majority on here are dead against (excuse the pun) the death penalty.
    I am among that no. as well.
    What I am for though in these cases like Sutcliffe, Huntley, Hindley, Brady etc is life in a small cell, with a toilet in it, and basic food like bread and water., with absolutely no privileges.
    Anyone disagree with this?
    Give them the bare minimum that is acceptable (you know you’ll get human rights protesters fighting for them)

    Minimum food/water to keep them alive

    Blanket OR pillow

    No window and lights out early

    Hour max to stretch their legs. Kept apart so they can’t talk

    No visitors

    Absolutely no mail/reading material etc.

    As much as I’d like for them to be shot I don’t think I could agree with the DP.

  4. #4

    Re: Prison Justice served ? ? ? return of the death sentence ? ? ?

    Quote Originally Posted by dembethewarrior View Post
    Give them the bare minimum that is acceptable (you know you’ll get human rights protesters fighting for them)

    Minimum food/water to keep them alive

    Blanket OR pillow

    No window and lights out early

    Hour max to stretch their legs. Kept apart so they can’t talk

    No visitors

    Absolutely no mail/reading material etc.

    As much as I’d like for them to be shot I don’t think I could agree with the DP.
    I'm not sure we gain anything by having a government that is prepared to treat people this way.

  5. #5

    Re: Prison Justice served ? ? ? return of the death sentence ? ? ?

    I can't believe we have moved from "shall we kill them?" to "shall we torture them?". The latter will inevitably lead to the former because it's already showing a complete lack of humanity, which is actually what you're saying should be punished in the first place.

    It seems to be a conversation that it heading towards asking if the prison system is tough enough. It's certainly tough enough for people who don't want to commit crime and wouldn't be able to escape the consequences which leaves you with the people making the case for tougher sentences (at the moment it seems like this group are breaking rules/laws but can escape the consequences) because of those who are willing to commit crime (who have factored in the consequences already).

  6. #6

    Re: Prison Justice served ? ? ? return of the death sentence ? ? ?

    Quote Originally Posted by surge View Post
    I can't believe we have moved from "shall we kill them?" to "shall we torture them?". The latter will inevitably lead to the former because it's already showing a complete lack of humanity, which is actually what you're saying should be punished in the first place.

    It seems to be a conversation that it heading towards asking if the prison system is tough enough. It's certainly tough enough for people who don't want to commit crime and wouldn't be able to escape the consequences which leaves you with the people making the case for tougher sentences (at the moment it seems like this group are breaking rules/laws but can escape the consequences) because of those who are willing to commit crime (who have factored in the consequences already).
    The individual in the OP, and the sort of individuals further being discussed,don’t deserve to be called human and certainly don’t deserve to be treated with any sort of humanity.

    We’re not talking about killing off or mistreating some petty criminal who turned to shoplifting or sells drugs to make a few quid and may have a chance of rehabilitation.

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    Re: Prison Justice served ? ? ? return of the death sentence ? ? ?

    I started this thread to see the great divide that would separate society if this was ever on the cards

    We have seen both extreme sides of the argument

    interesting to see that no-one is unhappy or losing any sleep about Richard Huckle being murdered, which does bring the prison justice being served argument into play

    it has been discussed who would decide who gets executed and for what crimes

    Surely no-one can think about saying Richard Huckle deserves to ever see the world as a free man, not even the most liberal in the world would

    He is 100 % guilty and knew what he was doing

    He is pure evil scum, If he is never going to see the outside world as a free man again, does he have a purpose in life ? ? no of course not

    I find it amazing that people say that being locked up is enough punishment and worse than death, I guess Richard Huckle didnt think that as he was jailed in 2016 ( was inside from 2015 though ), he has had 4 years to top himself

  8. #8

    Re: Prison Justice served ? ? ? return of the death sentence ? ? ?

    Quote Originally Posted by dembethewarrior View Post
    Give them the bare minimum that is acceptable (you know you’ll get human rights protesters fighting for them)

    Minimum food/water to keep them alive

    Blanket OR pillow

    No window and lights out early

    Hour max to stretch their legs. Kept apart so they can’t talk

    No visitors

    Absolutely no mail/reading material etc.

    As much as I’d like for them to be shot I don’t think I could agree with the DP.
    We agree on something 👍

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    Re: Prison Justice served ? ? ? return of the death sentence ? ? ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    I'm not sure we gain anything by having a government that is prepared to treat people this way.
    I take it you’d give them a coloured tv and access to a gym and a pool table?

  10. #10

    Re: Prison Justice served ? ? ? return of the death sentence ? ? ?

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    We agree on something 👍
    They don’t deserve any more.

  11. #11

    Re: Prison Justice served ? ? ? return of the death sentence ? ? ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    I'm not sure we gain anything by having a government that is prepared to treat people this way.
    It would never happen.

  12. #12

    Re: Prison Justice served ? ? ? return of the death sentence ? ? ?

    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    I started this thread to see the great divide that would separate society if this was ever on the cards

    We have seen both extreme sides of the argument

    interesting to see that no-one is unhappy or losing any sleep about Richard Huckle being murdered, which does bring the prison justice being served argument into play

    it has been discussed who would decide who gets executed and for what crimes

    Surely no-one can think about saying Richard Huckle deserves to ever see the world as a free man, not even the most liberal in the world would

    He is 100 % guilty and knew what he was doing

    He is pure evil scum, If he is never going to see the outside world as a free man again, does he have a purpose in life ? ? no of course not

    I find it amazing that people say that being locked up is enough punishment and worse than death, I guess Richard Huckle didnt think that as he was jailed in 2016 ( was inside from 2015 though ), he has had 4 years to top himself
    That’s because it was like living in a hotel.
    4 walls to stare at for 24 hrs, only bread and water, and a shitter that only gets cleaned once a week.
    Think he might consider doing himself in then.

  13. #13

    Re: Prison Justice served ? ? ? return of the death sentence ? ? ?

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    That’s because it was like living in a hotel.
    4 walls to stare at for 24 hrs, only bread and water, and a shitter that only gets cleaned once a week.
    Think he might consider doing himself in then.
    jesus, this thread is like a Harry Enfield sketch, You and a few others are giving the details a little to much thought.

  14. #14

    Re: Prison Justice served ? ? ? return of the death sentence ? ? ?

    Quote Originally Posted by surge View Post
    I can't believe we have moved from "shall we kill them?" to "shall we torture them?". The latter will inevitably lead to the former because it's already showing a complete lack of humanity, which is actually what you're saying should be punished in the first place.

    It seems to be a conversation that it heading towards asking if the prison system is tough enough. It's certainly tough enough for people who don't want to commit crime and wouldn't be able to escape the consequences which leaves you with the people making the case for tougher sentences (at the moment it seems like this group are breaking rules/laws but can escape the consequences) because of those who are willing to commit crime (who have factored in the consequences already).
    Someone who touches kids or has images of them probably doesn’t even think of the consequences, because whatever it is that drives them on to be that way probably eliminates any sort of rational thinking from their sick heads.

    It probably would be torture for them.

    Oh well.

  15. #15

    Re: Prison Justice served ? ? ? return of the death sentence ? ? ?

    Quote Originally Posted by surge View Post
    I can't believe we have moved from "shall we kill them?" to "shall we torture them?". The latter will inevitably lead to the former because it's already showing a complete lack of humanity, which is actually what you're saying should be punished in the first place.

    It seems to be a conversation that it heading towards asking if the prison system is tough enough. It's certainly tough enough for people who don't want to commit crime and wouldn't be able to escape the consequences which leaves you with the people making the case for tougher sentences (at the moment it seems like this group are breaking rules/laws but can escape the consequences) because of those who are willing to commit crime (who have factored in the consequences already).
    Who’s mentioned torture?

  16. #16

    Re: Prison Justice served ? ? ? return of the death sentence ? ? ?

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    Who’s mentioned torture?
    In the very next post:

    "I'd be all for the option of keeping them locked up in a small cell with gruel, bread and water. If they were there until they die."

  17. #17

    Re: Prison Justice served ? ? ? return of the death sentence ? ? ?

    Quote Originally Posted by surge View Post
    In the very next post:

    "I'd be all for the option of keeping them locked up in a small cell with gruel, bread and water. If they were there until they die."
    You think serial killers and child rapists deserve better?

  18. #18

    Re: Prison Justice served ? ? ? return of the death sentence ? ? ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    For those in favour, what crimes should be punished by the death penalty then? Where do we draw the line?
    Serial killers and child rapists for a start. They are not human beings, they are vile rabid animals that need to be treated as such. Sexual predators caught grooming on line should have life imprisonment.

    I'd be all for the option of keeping them locked up in a small cell with gruel, bread and water. If they were there until they die.

    The sentences handed out are appalling (Child offenders). These animals will never be rehabilitated and they're let back out to re-offend.

    I don't care if they go in, get stabbed/beat to death, die of old age or die via death penalty, when they go into prison they should never come back out.

  19. #19

    Re: Prison Justice served ? ? ? return of the death sentence ? ? ?

    Quote Originally Posted by surge View Post
    In the very next post:

    "I'd be all for the option of keeping them locked up in a small cell with gruel, bread and water. If they were there until they die."
    You made your remark before that post (obviously) so I’m guessing you were referring to being locked up 23 hours/ minimum food water/ no books and no visitors?

    An ex of mine opened up to me about her Dad, who was a horrible bastard of a “man”. Saw her a few days ago, we still get along because I’m the only person she’s ever opened up to completely, and trust me she is still visibly tortured by it.

    So if feeding them and sheltering them is “torture” then **** them.

    I said no to the death penalty for a few reasons, one being that we don’t know what crimes/where does it all end. So people that support these monsters human rights, where do they end? How good are they allowed to have it?

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    Re: Prison Justice served ? ? ? return of the death sentence ? ? ?

    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    The individual in the OP, and the sort of individuals further being discussed,don’t deserve to be called human and certainly don’t deserve to be treated with any sort of humanity.

    We’re not talking about killing off or mistreating some petty criminal who turned to shoplifting or sells drugs to make a few quid and may have a chance of rehabilitation.
    Honestly, some people.

    No wonder there are people out there defending these monsters human rights. **** sake.

  21. #21

    Re: Prison Justice served ? ? ? return of the death sentence ? ? ?

    Quote Originally Posted by dembethewarrior View Post
    Honestly, some people.

    No wonder there are people out there defending these monsters human rights. **** sake.
    Lock em up Count of Monte Cristo style I say. Without the happy ending.

    Then I’ll agree to it being a better alternative than the death sentence.

  22. #22

    Re: Prison Justice served ? ? ? return of the death sentence ? ? ?

    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    Lock em up Count of Monte Cristo style I say. Without the happy ending.

    Then I’ll agree to it being a better alternative than the death sentence.
    Had to google that then. Not seen it..

    Maybe to some I was over board with the no letters/visitors/books but I stand by it.

    How nice do people want us to be to them?

  23. #23

    Re: Prison Justice served ? ? ? return of the death sentence ? ? ?

    Quote Originally Posted by dembethewarrior View Post
    Had to google that then. Not seen it..

    Maybe to some I was over board with the no letters/visitors/books but I stand by it.

    How nice do people want us to be to them?
    Good film. Watch it when you have a few hours to spare.

    People just try be to so liberal they lose sight of the real issue.

  24. #24

    Re: Prison Justice served ? ? ? return of the death sentence ? ? ?

    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    Good film. Watch it when you have a few hours to spare.

    People just try be to so liberal they lose sight of the real issue.
    Even better book though I guess the debate about crime and punishment have moved on since the 1850's!

  25. #25

    Re: Prison Justice served ? ? ? return of the death sentence ? ? ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    jesus, this thread is like a Harry Enfield sketch, You and a few others are giving the details a little to much thought.
    And your point is caller?

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