Prison Justice served ? ? ? return of the death sentence ? ? ?

[David Vincent]

You think all criminals are born bad.

Yes. I think they are born with little or no conscience. When they work out the cost / benefits of their crimes any guilt they might feel about their crimes does not come into the equation. The fact that they are born with brains like that doesn't mean their criminality is determined. They can still choose to not be a criminal. It is just harder for them. It is a bit like someone with a very high testosterone level being more likely to rape someone than a man with a low testosterone level. He could choose not to rape.

[Croesy Blue]

Yes. I think they are born with little or no conscience. When they work out the cost / benefits of their crimes any guilt they might feel about their crimes does not come into the equation. The fact that they are born with brains like that doesn't mean their criminality is determined. They can still choose to not be a criminal. It is just harder for them. It is a bit like someone with a very high testosterone level being more likely to rape someone than a man with a low testosterone level. He could choose not to rape.

Sounds like you're talking about psychopaths rather than criminals. Most murders in the UK have motives (like crimes of passion, gang violence) they aren't cold bloded psychopaths calculating things like you're discussing, they're relatively rare.

[lardy]

Yes. I think they are born with little or no conscience. When they work out the cost / benefits of their crimes any guilt they might feel about their crimes does not come into the equation. The fact that they are born with brains like that doesn't mean their criminality is determined. They can still choose to not be a criminal. It is just harder for them. It is a bit like someone with a very high testosterone level being more likely to rape someone than a man with a low testosterone level. He could choose not to rape.

And you also believe it's hereditary.

Just establishing this so we can all give your opinions the credibility they deserve.

[William Treseder]

I’m not for the death penalty, but I don’t think most people who are, are thinking of it being a deterrent.
More like a waste of tax payers money to keep them in prison for the rest of their life

[rudy gestede]

I’m not for the death penalty, but I don’t think most people who are, are thinking of it being a deterrent.
More like a waste of tax payers money to keep them in prison for the rest of their life

Death penalty costs more in tax payers’ money than a life sentence

[dembethewarrior]

Death penalty costs more in tax payers’ money than a life sentence

What are the costs?

Seems mad that an injection costs more than 50 years in prison.

[delmbox]

What are the costs?

Seems mad that an injection costs more than 50 years in prison.

https://www.thebalance.com/comparing...prison-4689874

[Rjk]

What are the costs?

Seems mad that an injection costs more than 50 years in prison.

I wouldn't care if it was twice as expensive to keep them in prison. I would absolutely not want to live in a country where the government were prepared to execute people to save the equivalent of loose change.

[David Vincent]

I wouldn't care if it was twice as expensive to keep them in prison. I would absolutely not want to live in a country where the government were prepared to execute people to save the equivalent of loose change.

This is something National Heath Service has to do - you've heard of NICE. They don't execute people but they decide who to keep alive. It can't be avoided.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-28983924

[dembethewarrior]

https://www.thebalance.com/comparing...prison-4689874

Cheers.

[rudy gestede]

Yes. Many killers are completely rational. They work out the costs and benefits of killing before they do it. The ones who are insane or extremely stupid are not executed.

That’s wrong you’re pulling everything out of your own mind. Can you not see how weird it is to have such a strong opinion that isn’t based on facts?

You’ve even argued against yourself in this thread but your opinion is too entrenched to see it.

[David Vincent]

That’s wrong you’re pulling everything out of your own mind. Can you not see how weird it is to have such a strong opinion that isn’t based on facts?

You’ve even argued against yourself in this thread but your opinion is too entrenched to see it.

Which bit is not based on fact and which bit is contradictory. I have known/worked with people who have killed and they seemed rational to me. At least one of them has been out of prison so long that I doubt that he ever thinks much about that part of his life. He has moved on as therapists say. His victim has missed out on all the pleasures that this murderer is now enjoying.

[Croesy Blue]

Which bit is not based on fact and which bit is contradictory. I have known/worked with people who have killed and they seemed rational to me. At least one of them has been out of prison so long that I doubt that he ever thinks much about that part of his life. He has moved on as therapists say. His victim has missed out on all the pleasures that this murderer is now enjoying.

What job ave you got working with killers?

[David Vincent]

What job ave you got working with killers?

I don't work with killers in the sense that I am looking after them or anything like that. I have just worked in the same offices or factories as them. Not long ago I was chatting to a policeman and I mentioned all the people I knew who had killed and those people who had been killed and he was surprised. He said he had no friends, acquaintances or work mates who had been killed. I have moved around a lot and I have worked in many different places so that might explain it.

[Croesy Blue]

I don't work with killers in the sense that I am looking after them or anything like that. I have just worked in the same offices or factories as them. Not long ago I was chatting to a policeman and I mentioned all the people I knew who had killed and those people who had been killed and he was surprised. He said he had no friends, acquaintances or work mates who had been killed. I have moved around a lot and I have worked in many different places so that might explain it.

[delmbox]

I don't work with killers in the sense that I am looking after them or anything like that. I have just worked in the same offices or factories as them. Not long ago I was chatting to a policeman and I mentioned all the people I knew who had killed and those people who had been killed and he was surprised. He said he had no friends, acquaintances or work mates who had been killed. I have moved around a lot and I have worked in many different places so that might explain it.

this guy

[splott parker]

I don't work with killers in the sense that I am looking after them or anything like that. I have just worked in the same offices or factories as them. Not long ago I was chatting to a policeman and I mentioned all the people I knew who had killed and those people who had been killed and he was surprised. He said he had no friends, acquaintances or work mates who had been killed. I have moved around a lot and I have worked in many different places so that might explain it.

Where do you work? ..... Midsomer

[dembethewarrior]

That’s wrong you’re pulling everything out of your own mind. Can you not see how weird it is to have such a strong opinion that isn’t based on facts?

You’ve even argued against yourself in this thread but your opinion is too entrenched to see it.

You seen them Trump loons online?

[dembethewarrior]

This thread is ****ing nuts.

[AfricanBluebird]

I was involved in a case in Uganda a few years back and the net result was we arrested a European guy who abusing children. The evidence we collected was sufficient enough to eventually convict him in his home country. He committed suicide in prision in August this year.

I am saddened he didnt get to spend the rest of his life incarcerated and deprived of his freedom. Also, we will never know what other children had been affected by his abhorrent behaviour as much of that information has died with him and therefore will never be able to provide the victims with the necessary support they need.

Similarly the death penalty denies society the opportunity to deny freedom to perpetrators and it denies any release of further information which could help victims

There is no evidence that the death penalty acts as a deterrent in western societies, just look at the States

Also.. and this is something that often gets overlooked, the death penalty is pretty expensive... add up the costs of the lawyers, appeals, courts & special arrangements etc and its pretty expensive

So its a no from me

[dembethewarrior]

I read it with a Donald Trump voice. Even better.

[dembethewarrior]

I wouldn't care if it was twice as expensive to keep them in prison. I would absolutely not want to live in a country where the government were prepared to execute people to save the equivalent of loose change.

I just wanted to see the costs and compare them

Calm down.

[rudy gestede]

I don't like to tell anyone how to spend their time but you definitely need to find another way to spend your time

He’s also very wrong and doesn’t understand statistical data

[David Vincent]

He’s also very wrong and doesn’t understand statistical data

I'm always ready to learn from an expert. What statistics don't I understand?

[David Vincent]

He’s also very wrong and doesn’t understand statistical data

While I was waiting for your lesson in stats I though I’d work out the chance of getting to 80 in Cardiff without being murdered. The murder rate for Cardiff is 1.7 per 100,000 according to this site.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...ealed-10782048

So the chance of not being killed each year is 99998.3/100000 = .999983. To survive 80 years you calculate .999983 to the power of 80 and you get .99864. That’s the chance of getting to 80 without being killed. The chance of being killed is 1-.99864=0.00136. That means 1.36 per 1000 will be murdered before they make 80.

I'm just a silly old man - as our German student keeps telling me - so I am sure you will be able correct my figures and point me in the right direction.