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Thread: Wednesday not happy with our goal

  1. #26

    Re: Wednesday not happy with our goal

    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBlue View Post
    I don't really know how I feel about it from sportsmanship point of view. But the ball wasn't in play when he was jumping and he ducked down for the kick. If he was in the wall while he did that no one would have a problem with it. As all he did while the ball was in play was duck, can he be said to be offside and interfering with play? I'd be interested to hear a ref's take on it. As for saying we'd be moaning if someone did that to us, how is that relevant?
    Attacking players are not allowed in the wall but even if he was in the wall he wouldn’t be offside. The point is we could easily have had a superb free kick chalked off for Flint stupidly standing in a risky offside position.

  2. #27

    Re: Wednesday not happy with our goal

    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBlue View Post
    I don't really know how I feel about it from sportsmanship point of view. But the ball wasn't in play when he was jumping and he ducked down for the kick. If he was in the wall while he did that no one would have a problem with it. As all he did while the ball was in play was duck, can he be said to be offside and interfering with play? I'd be interested to hear a ref's take on it. As for saying we'd be moaning if someone did that to us, how is that relevant?
    As far as I understand the rule the pictures below highlight the issue.

    In line of sight in an offside position and as the ball was played he was actually in the air and only ducked as it came over the top the wall.

    I’m not a ref mind, just my understanding.

    F959F343-5804-45CE-B158-AE2350E5619D.jpg

    F686DD0A-4238-45EC-967E-DC4D88FB3381.jpg

  3. #28

    Re: Wednesday not happy with our goal

    Quote Originally Posted by Baloo View Post
    As far as I understand the rule the pictures below highlight the issue.

    In line of sight in an offside position and as the ball was played he was actually in the air and only ducked as it came over the top the wall.

    I’m not a ref mind, just my understanding.

    F959F343-5804-45CE-B158-AE2350E5619D.jpg

    F686DD0A-4238-45EC-967E-DC4D88FB3381.jpg
    The ball isn't in play in either of those photos.

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    Re: Wednesday not happy with our goal

    Quote Originally Posted by Auntie Andy View Post
    Imagine if Cardiff conceded that goal. You'd be livid and claiming conspiracy against Welsh clubs.

  5. #30

    Re: Wednesday not happy with our goal

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  6. #31

    Re: Wednesday not happy with our goal

    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBlue View Post
    The ball isn't in play in either of those photos.
    How about this one? The first photo was just intended to show his position relative to the goalie and the ball better.

    Tomlin.JPG

  7. #32

    Re: Wednesday not happy with our goal

    The ref and lino were OK with the goal, and they're the only ones that matter.

  8. #33

    Re: Wednesday not happy with our goal

    Quote Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO View Post
    Imagine if Cardiff conceded that goal. You'd be livid and claiming conspiracy against Welsh clubs.
    Don’t be silly, when have I ever posted there’s a conspiracy against Welsh clubs?

    You win some you lose some and apologies for posting a link to a rivals message board as a bit of light hearted banter

  9. #34

    Re: Wednesday not happy with our goal

    Was Tomlin fouled? Was Flint offside? here's what the two managers thought.


    Neil Warnock had little to say about the referee's decision to award Cardiff a free kick in the 87th minute and then seconds later allow the goal scored by Lee Tomlin with the Wednesday keeper pleading that Aden Flint was interfering with play.



    It seemed to be a tactic off the training ground that saw Flint doing star jumps in the box in front of the keeper but as you can only be offside at the moment the ball is kicked Flint crouched down at the last moment to expose the poorly positioned keeper and to not be interfering with play at the moment Tomlin struck the ball. The goal has caused a right rumpus on social media about it's validity but crucially for Cardiff it stood.


    “I’ve not looked at it but as long as you’re a yard away from the wall I think you can stand where you want nowadays," Warnock said about the incident.


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    “I said to the lads at half-time I thought we could win it. I thought they were vulnerable and that they’d had a bit of fortune in the first half.


    “On another night we could’ve had a penalty with Flinty having his shirt pulled off, but you don’t seem to get them at the minute.


    “I thought we could have won it at the end.”






    Meanwhile Garry Monk saw it completely and for a change it wasn't Neil Warnock having a go at the officials


    “I’m disappointed because had we conceded a legitimate goal against us I’d have to take that, but I’m told it’s not even a foul and one of their players is doing a star jump behind the wall to distract our keeper," said Monk.


    “How the officials haven’t seen first the foul, but then it’s not hard to see a six-foot-five or six-foot-six defender doing a star jump in front of the wall in an offside position, I don’t see how you can’t see that."

    “It is what it is. There were a lot of good things in that game and we should have taken our opportunities as well. We should have been walking off that pitch with a win.”

    “They’re a difficult team to play at home,” he said, “they’ve got a really good record here but I just felt the first 55 or 60 minutes we did exactly what I wanted them to do, we didn’t allow them to turn it into that physical scrap like we saw in the last 30.

    “The reason we were able to do that is we controlled the ball well. We lost that control in the last 30.

    “We’re playing against a top team, an experienced team and we end up with a point. I’m feeling a bit hard done by but there are plenty of positives to keep moving forward with there.”



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