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With you on this. My 8 year old plays on a Saturday and you come across some teams where that approach has been instilled.Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
He’s also coached a couple of times a week by a former pro (at a well known academy in Bristol) who learnt from Osian Roberts and their attitude is very much the opposite of this bullying approach.
I certainly don’t want that kind of attitude instilled in him and I don’t think it’s at all necessary.
The relevance of your alleged experiences from ~40years ago is zero.
I am very confident that many people on here have similar and more recent experience of football at a professional/semi pro level - they just choose not to share it
Of the 2 of you I know whose insights and thoughts I relate to.
You are right, it's not for me or anyone else to bore the bollocks off people on here about my experiences 28 years ago. I only got involved because it struck a chord with me. It's not the WB or Tuerto show, loads of people have experienced bullying in the workplace, and it is relative, especially when we were young.👍
Why would I hero worship Bellamy ? Do I know you ?
Do you know what happened then ?
The club want to put this to bed , they have to make a PC statement that Jim White and the likes will be dribbling over .
Our very own PC brigade are out in force as well ..
Parents believe their child (Johnny ) is the next messi , they find out after a long process and many years following Johnny round the country that actually Johnny isn’t good enough to make the grade at a certain level , perhaps Johnny isnt mentally strong enough ?
I wonder how they deal with this fact ?
It has to be someone’s fault surely , Johnny is a brilliant footballer .
I think to be a successful footballer you need to be mentally strong as well .
If you play a bad game the press aren’t going to be very nice at the highest level , who you going to blame then ?
Danny Murphy said more or less the same on talkSPORT the other day , an ex professional footballer ....
If believing that young people shouldn't be bullied or abused at work is considered 'PC', then I definitely fall into that category.
Using a term like 'PC' in this context is a bit pathetic though, isn't it? A bit childish. A bit idiotic. A bit ****ing ridiculous, really.
Its my opinion.
If you and your ilk want to look at the situation with some balance then I wouldn't have used such terminology , in fact I wouldn't have commented.
Have you returned as a Cardiff City supporter , or are you just looking to emphasis the negatives you see round the club? As usual.
I'm not a Cardiff City supporter in the true sense of the term. I attend games occasionally and I follow the club with a keen interest, but as a result of the re-brand and the reaction to it I doubt I'll be a full-on City fan again and I certainly won't be a supporter until Vincent Tan has slung his hook.
As for the club's statement, I don't view it as a negative. On the contrary, in fact. The club has apparently investigated allegations of bullying and abuse within its youth set-up, discovered a number of significant concerns and acted upon them. That appears to me to be a positive as opposed to a negative. After all, the club's youth system hasn't produced a first team regular in many years, so something clearly needs to change.
For someone who doesn't know the facts, you're coming up with alot of assumptions. The club have admitted that it went on in their house, it couldn't get any more clear cut, they even investigated themselves. How would you react if it was your son or daughter hundreds of miles from home? Would you dismiss them and call them a liar?
That's the point I was trying to make, but it seems as though you are not allowed to comment about such things on here. One of my coaches came through the ranks with Alex Ferguson, so they would have had a similar outlook and shared experiences about the game of football. He was a perfectly reasonable fella, but he did like to have a good rant every now and then. It was nothing personal, he was just trying to get the best out of the players. At the end of the day some people can handle it, and some people can't.
Bellamy has his say.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50186448
Is it just me or is this comment a bit barbed?
"I have probably relied too much on my own life experiences playing under some of the best coaches in the world rather than assessing the sensitivities of a new generation of players."
"I have probably relied too much on my own life experiences playing under some of the best coaches in the world rather than assessing the sensitivities of a new generation of players."Is it just me or is this comment a bit barbed?
"I have probably relied too much on my own life experiences playing under some of the best coaches in the world rather than assessing the sensitivities of a new generation of players."
He knows deep down that those "old fashioned" methods work, and they made him into the great player that he was. Going forward we are going to get battered by the South American & East European teams, as I don't think they are going to be changing their ways anytime soon. We saw in the recent match against Croatia that professional football is a game for the big boys, and you need to be able to stand up to them.
That is mainly a very mature and encouraging response - especially for anyone who has hopes of Bellamy coming back to the club as a manager or coach in the future, like me.
The only grating bit was "I have probably relied too much on my own life experiences playing under some of the best coaches in the world rather than assessing the sensitivities of a new generation of players." That sounds too much like 'life of hard knocks' good, modern 'snowflakes' bad. Not necessary.
Perhaps Mr Bellamy's use of the "modern sensitivities" is not meant to be condescending and simply acknowledges that things have changed. Where he's wrong is that they're not modern at all - what's changed is that people are more open and not bottling up their troubles. Maybe there are some who feel entitled for their minor, inconsequential feelings to be addressed but those things are still resolved by talking about them.
Bellers himself has talked of his issues as a lad and while he was able to overcome them in regard to his career they seem to have affected his personal life and were then, allegedly, being passed on to the next generation of players. It seems bizarre there are people who think this is fine and all part of the game.
It's not just about having the right mindset for competition - if you're a young man or woman training for the Olympics you'd need the appropriate mental strength and focus but in football there are other elements - dealing with 30,000 people giving you stick or dumping their dreams on your shoulders and expecting the players to fix the uptight and vicarious lives of supporters. Then there are the sponsors and the media demanding you live up to their billing and investment.
The whole system is a egomaniacal, neurotic mess with dubious values but if you don't fit in, lads, if you can't handle me becoming enraged when you misplace a pass, and you can't shoulder my worries about my own life being taken out on you then jog on.
Wait until they start on the rugby and the military
That 3 for 1 all in a row was brilliant 😂
You can't pleas everybody, especially those who don't even know what day of the week it is
For **** sake you don’t half ramble some utter shit.
You can't beat of bit of real life experience when it comes to chewing the fat on football message boards.
No disrespect, but anyone who has a pulse has real life experience, and just because it happened to you or any one of us, it doesn't mean that it's right for someone else, you seem to struggle with that.
I know full well that it's not right for everybody. You have to know your own capabilities and limitations, and if you can't hack it try then just something else. I wouldn't join the army and complain if people started shouting at me, and then try to change the things that didn't fit my demeanor.
How disrespectful! Wales Bales clearly has a lot of real life experience we could all learn from.
You shouldn't have listened to your teacher when he said you'll never do anything with your lifeHow disrespectful! Wales Bales clearly has a lot of real life experience we could all learn from.
Did your teacher predict your “carefully constructed internet persona?”You shouldn't have listened to your teacher when he said you'll never do anything with your life
I was on the internet long before any teachers had ever heard of itDid your teacher predict your “carefully constructed internet persona?”
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