Ken Loach

[Pearcey3]

You didn't. It's blatantly clear that the Tories strategy for keeping Labour at arms length is to attack Corbyn. Never before has a political leader been smeared and lied about by the predominantly right wing press. Labour's brand of mild socialism scares the establishment and most wealthy, hence why Corbyn is the source of the attacks. The Tories know that Labour's policies are more popular - they can't attack them on that.

So back to my question. Is this more important than Labour's manifesto?

Yes but Corbyn is a communist. Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser. Corbyn is the anti Christ and eats babies for tea.
Never before has any U.K. politician been demonised in the way he has. It is disgusting
Sadly too many believe the gutter press and it has badly damaged him.

[trampie09]

Yes but Corbyn is a communist. Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser. Corbyn is the anti Christ and eats babies for tea.
Never before has any U.K. politician been demonised in the way he has. It is disgusting
Sadly too many believe the gutter press and it has badly damaged him.

As you know Pearcey3 from years ago on an old rugger site that i'm no supporter of NuLabour [although Corbyn himself is old Labour, Parliamentary Labour is full of what I call Red Tories] but I would be the first to say that the press, plus disingenuous opponents of Labour and possibly some shady foreign powers that don't want Corbyn as Prime Minister are all doing a number on him.
I remember Labour doing a number on my team Plaid [ive always treated my politics like supporting a sports team] for years and years accusing them of all sorts of disingenuous sh*t and in my view damaging them at the polls, but two wrongs don't make a right and its not nice to see the way Corbyn is treated, obviously Plaid being the nicey nice party don't get involved in that nonsense.

[Pearcey3]

As you know Pearcey3 from years ago on an old rugger site that i'm no supporter of NuLabour [although Corbyn himself is old Labour, Parliamentary Labour is full of what I call Red Tories] but I would be the first to say that the press, plus disingenuous opponents of Labour and possibly some shady foreign powers that don't want Corbyn as Prime Minister are all doing a number on him.
I remember Labour doing a number on my team Plaid [ive always treated my politics like supporting a sports team] for years and years accusing them of all sorts of disingenuous sh*t and in my view damaging them at the polls, but two wrongs don't make a right and its not nice to see the way Corbyn is treated, obviously Plaid being the nicey nice party don't get involved in that nonsense.

It’s appalling and the BBC are compliant in all of this. Shame that rugby messageboard ended. It was a good site.

[trampie09]

It’s appalling and the BBC are compliant in all of this. Shame that rugby messageboard ended. It was a good site.

Yes on both counts.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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[cyril evans awaydays]

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Best post in this 5 pager. Might be a silly question but has anyone seen the film?

[Mr Soul '68]

Best post in this 5 pager. Might be a silly question but has anyone seen the film?

I went to see the film yesterday. It doesn't make easy viewing, but is excellent nevertheless. The film is very hard hitting and just about sums up Boris' Britain. Ken Loach with his finger on the pulse, as always,

[jackrabbit]

I think we’ll all agree to disagree. Corbyn’s brand of Marxist socialism has never worked anywhere at any time in history - latest example, the aforementioned Venezuela, and when we have one of his cronies declaring that ‘Britain should not have any billionaires’ you know you’re in the politics-of-envy territory - big time. It’s not what I would ever want for this country and it’s certainly not what I’d ever want to experience, especially at my time of life. And I doubt any of you would either.
The top 1% of earners in this country pay roughly 28% of our taxes. Are they going to stick around if Madman McDonnell moves into no. 11? This country is one of the best in the world to live in, even with all our problems, that’s why people risk and lose their lives to get here to live and work. Corby and co would destroy it. They won’t get the chance, if the polls are correct, and I hope to God they are.

[Bluebirdman Of Alcathays]

I think we’ll all agree to disagree. Corbyn’s brand of Marxist socialism has never worked anywhere at any time in history - latest example, the aforementioned Venezuela, and when we have one of his cronies declaring that ‘Britain should not have any billionaires’ you know you’re in the politics-of-envy territory - big time. It’s not what I would ever want for this country and it’s certainly not what I’d ever want to experience, especially at my time of life. And I doubt any of you would either.
The top 1% of earners in this country pay roughly 28% of our taxes. Are they going to stick around if Madman McDonnell moves into no. 11? This country is one of the best in the world to live in, even with all our problems, that’s why people risk and lose their lives to get here to live and work. Corby and co would destroy it. They won’t get the chance, if the polls are correct, and I hope to God they are.

Of course it's fair enough if you want to vote for whichever party but it's the wilful sensationalism and outrage that feeds your thinking that doesn't do anyone any good. If you don't think Corbyn's numbers add up then fine, but what "Marxist socialist" policy is going to drag us under?

I'm not envious of someone with a billion pounds; I just find it baffling - why would anyone need that kind of cash? It's like having a three foot old boy - kind of impressive in a way but it's just for show and not much use to anyone else. Job creation? Most of them horde it and it's not good to give just the few that responsibility. (Besides, consumers create jobs).

Your whole post seems panicky, but why wouldn't it when we see our own PM using his old employer (the Telegraph) to compare Labour's tax rise for the rich as the equivalent of Stalin. But he comes up with this bullshit cos it works.

[splott parker]

I think we’ll all agree to disagree. Corbyn’s brand of Marxist socialism has never worked anywhere at any time in history - latest example, the aforementioned Venezuela, and when we have one of his cronies declaring that ‘Britain should not have any billionaires’ you know you’re in the politics-of-envy territory - big time. It’s not what I would ever want for this country and it’s certainly not what I’d ever want to experience, especially at my time of life. And I doubt any of you would either.
The top 1% of earners in this country pay roughly 28% of our taxes. Are they going to stick around if Madman McDonnell moves into no. 11? This country is one of the best in the world to live in, even with all our problems, that’s why people risk and lose their lives to get here to live and work. Corby and co would destroy it. They won’t get the chance, if the polls are correct, and I hope to God they are.

The ones that risk life & limb are being suckered in by unscrupulous bastards to work in slave like conditions, they’re unregistered, completely off the radar & working for a pittance & living in squalor I’d imagine. Cheap labour & inexpensive facilities & conditions has always appealed to a fair percentage of employers and seems to be quite widespread under Tory rule. With Brexit imminent, EU protection disappearing &, God forbid, another Tory government don’t rule out another influx of foreign labour with promises of streets paved with gold. I dread to think about the situation concerning workers rights, I hope I’m way off the mark but I foresee another ‘glut of labour, lack of work’ situation creeping in the unskilled, lower end of the scale jobs.

[Eric Cartman]

???????

Bercow would describe you as a very excitable young man.

[Chris Pontprennau Blues]

I'm not a political person, but the only reason the Tories are in government is because Labour have a class 1 tw@t in charge ...and for Wales Drakeford fkn clown - M4 Newport Bypass road and all that

[Elwood Blues]

Best post in this 5 pager. Might be a silly question but has anyone seen the film?

They couldn't make a film.

The plot was too complicated

[splott parker]

I'm not a political person, but the only reason the Tories are in government is because Labour have a class 1 tw@t in charge ...and for Wales Drakeford fkn clown - M4 Newport Bypass road and all that

Why do you refer to Corbyn as that?

[Elwood Blues]

Bercow would describe you as a very excitable young man.

It's ok Eric.

I've taken my strong medicament.

I'm ok now

Everything is in order, order

[William Treseder]

The ones that risk life & limb are being suckered in by unscrupulous bastards to work in slave like conditions, they’re unregistered, completely off the radar & working for a pittance & living in squalor I’d imagine. Cheap labour & inexpensive facilities & conditions has always appealed to a fair percentage of employers and seems to be quite widespread under Tory rule. With Brexit imminent, EU protection disappearing &, God forbid, another Tory government don’t rule out another influx of foreign labour with promises of streets paved with gold. I dread to think about the situation concerning workers rights, I hope I’m way off the mark but I foresee another ‘glut of labour, lack of work’ situation creeping in the unskilled, lower end of the scale jobs.

What’s the EU “protection” you talk about? We’re still in the EU, and all of the above you’ve described, is happening right now, and has been for yrs. Zero hr contracts have appeared whilst we’ve been in the EU. Where has workers protection from that been?

[splott parker]

What’s the EU “protection” you talk about? We’re still in the EU, and all of the above you’ve described, is happening right now, and has been for yrs. Zero hr contracts have appeared whilst we’ve been in the EU. Where has workers protection from that been?

Uber & Deliveroo are two companies that’s been brought to book re. Workers rights, thanks to the EU. If legitimate workers feel they’re being treated unfairly they can, at the moment, question it, but you do realise that there’s still the fear factor among lower paid staff of reprisals should they ‘rock the boat’. The chance of ‘rocking the boat’ may very well disappear under a Tory government post brexit. The numbers of imported cheaper labour could very well increase under a deregulated system. Don’t you agree that legitimate workers rights have improved due to the EU? And do you agree that a post brexit Tory government could rip the rule book up?

[Croesy Blue]

I think he's worth around £100 million just over I think.

To put it in perspective even Ronaldo isn't near being a billionaire. That shows how much money these lunatics are hoarding.

Working class people defending them because they're paying a little bit of tax is nuts. They aren't even paying their fair share and are hoarding it so it's out of the system. Billionaire are ****ing the world up by doing this.

[lisvaneblue]

I think he's worth around £100 million just over I think.

To put it in perspective even Ronaldo isn't near being a billionaire. That shows how much money these lunatics are hoarding.

Working class people defending them because they're paying a little bit of tax is nuts. They aren't even paying their fair share and are hoarding it so it's out of the system. Billionaire are ****ing the world up by doing this.

I googled how many billionaires in the UK in 2019....answer is 151.....so hardly significant in a UK population of 60 million

[jon1959]

I googled how many billionaires in the UK in 2019....answer is 151.....so hardly significant in a UK population of 60 million

According to this there were 'only' 53 British (not UK) billionaires in 2017 - so they must be breeding!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_by_net_worth

[Croesy Blue]

Theoretically I could get a blowie off the queen mother, about as likely as making a billion quid from a £45k annual salary by just sticking it in the bank.

[cyril evans awaydays]

Theoretically I could get a blowie off the queen mother, about as likely as making a billion quid from a £45k annual salary by just sticking it in the bank.

You made £45k salary in your first year of life as well, who was your employer, Fred Trump?

[splott parker]

[QUOTE=lardy;5018331]An 80 year working life seems a little unlikely too.[/QUOTE
Vote the Tories in again and it may seem a little more likely🤪

[Dorcus]

My understanding is that EU law has helped in 3 main respects for workers...1. 28 days paid leave and a limit of 48 hrs iWork per week. 2. Guaranteed maternity leave of 14 weeks. 3. Prt time workers having same rights as full time. After Brexit its for the UK to decide which ir=f any of these to keep. But...Uk legislation already allows for 5 weeks plus 3 days annual paid leave a year ( inc public holidays), and 52 week maternity leave a year..both of which are much better than the EU....so why is Corbyn making such an issue about it when UK law seems OK

Just wait till the Tories get a solid majority. Time to pack our bags and switch off the lights as we leave methinks.

[Tuerto]

Just wait till the Tories get a solid majority. Time to pack our bags and switch off the lights as we leave methinks.

Those ****ers want out so that they can get tough with workers and the unions, Boris doesn't want a deal, he'd like us all working for £4 an hour and making his chums extra millions. The man is a dangerous ****.