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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    Surely not. You do know you are talking about the highland laird, friend and adviser of presidents and prime ministers, insider at the BBC, a black belt at dodging guns to the head, the most successful at something or other since Donald Trump claimed to be successful at something or other, and expert on history, painting and decorating and dealing with damp spots. Show some respect! You are just making out that Ronnie is a self-obsessed, bullshitting fantacist, and that can't be right.... can it?
    You forgot to mention him being friends with French detectives familiar with the Sala case. All of it is true, mind.

  2. #182

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    Len McCluskey pussyfooting around again:

    'Treacherous hypocrite @IanAustin1965 calling for a Tory vote in the general election is no surprise.'

    'He turned his back on @UKLabour values many, many years ago.'
    Without wishing to take this thread off on a tangent, good old Red Len pushing for Lexit that will no doubt hurt his membership.

    He's fine though with his gold plated pension, the massive c¨nt.

    Back on track, we are f¨cked, aren't we?

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    Re: Jewish group walks away from Labour

    Quote Originally Posted by waynekerr55 View Post
    Without wishing to take this thread off on a tangent, good old Red Len pushing for Lexit that will no doubt hurt his membership.

    He's fine though with his gold plated pension, the massive c¨nt.

    Back on track, we are f¨cked, aren't we?

    You are probably right with the last bit.

  4. #184

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    Surely not. You do know you are talking about the highland laird, friend and adviser of presidents and prime ministers, insider at the BBC, a black belt at dodging guns to the head, the most successful at something or other since Donald Trump claimed to be successful at something or other, and expert on history, painting and decorating and dealing with damp spots. Show some respect! You are just making out that Ronnie is a self-obsessed, bullshitting fantacist, and that can't be right.... can it?

    Well at least I'm not an anti Semite .
    Nice try at diverting from some of the stuff you've said , ( and I notice the other one jumps in ). I'm terribly sorry if I've learned anything or done anything in my quite long life, but I'm afraid I have. Maybe I should have sat on my arse, known my place then complained that I only failed because of class prejudice and the Jews .

    Once again, you don't address the subject because you can't , so you vomit out a bit more abuse.

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    You forgot to mention him being friends with French detectives familiar with the Sala case. All of it is true, mind.
    See, if you do stuff with your life ,you get to know all sorts of people in all sorts of countries. It's ****ing tragic that you can't imagine having enough contacts to call the right people to get the inside track.
    Here's something which will blow your little mind, sometimes people call me for similar reasons.

    But of course, no one deals with serious stuff because you don't. That's obvious isn't it ?

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    Re: Jewish group walks away from Labour

    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    Well at least I'm not an anti Semite .
    Nice try at diverting from some of the stuff you've said , ( and I notice the other one jumps in ). I'm terribly sorry if I've learned anything or done anything in my quite long life, but I'm afraid I have. Maybe I should have sat on my arse, known my place then complained that I only failed because of class prejudice and the Jews .

    Once again, you don't address the subject because you can't , so you vomit out a bit more abuse.
    The only anti-semitic stuff in this thread has come from you. You have made some outrageous claims about anti-semitic views from other posters without any substance at all. You have thrown regular tantrums. You have indulged yourself with lies, distortions, inventions and pathetic wild allegations about the mass social democratic party of the UK being a likely cause of a bloodbath for British Jews. You have claimed that other posters on this board are colluding in this murderous conspiracy that you have dreamt up. It is equally sick and pathetic.

    At the same time you have gone with the George Soros international conspiracy (one of the main anti-semitic tropes of our time), you have conflated the views and interests of European Jewish people with those of the Israeli state. You have denounced anti-Zionist Jews and others as anti-semites (although avoided the 'self hating' label that usually comes with it), including those who survived Auchwitz and others who lost their whole families in the holocaust.

    Many of the most active opponents of Corbyn and Labour who have weaponised the anti-semitism charges (some of which are genuine and must be stamped out; some of which are false, exaggerated or based on the new definition which makes opposition to Israeli apartheid a sin of anti-semitism) are sharing pickets and platforms with British neo-Nazis (anti-semites themselves but pro Israel) and right wing populists (anti-semites themselves but pro Israel) like Viktor Orban. Kippers like you fit in well.

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    I'm hoping it's just ignorance that makes you use the term Kippah , or maybe you think it's clever to use a racist term but spell it slightly wrong - intending to claim that it's something to do with UKIP.

    Don't project your racism onto others or blame the victims please. Of course I haven't said anything anti Semitic and I've posted numerous links to show that many many Jewish people reject labour, won't vote for them and are considering leaving the country if they were elected. These are facts.

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    Re: Jewish group walks away from Labour

    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    I'm hoping it's just ignorance that makes you use the term Kippah , or maybe you think it's clever to use a racist term but spell it slightly wrong - intending to claim that it's something to do with UKIP.

    Don't project your racism onto others or blame the victims please. Of course I haven't said anything anti Semitic and I've posted numerous links to show that many many Jewish people reject labour, won't vote for them and are considering leaving the country if they were elected. These are facts.
    Kipper is derived from UKIP - as you know. The political viewpoint you display on here most often.

    I have no idea what 'Kippah' means. I do know it isn't Kipper.

    Your anti-semitic posts and references are there for all to see. As are your hysterical and unfounded attacks on other posters. As I said in an earlier post, if you were a member of the Labour Party saying some of those things you would be suspended!

    I don't think any other poster (leaving aside LOM with his 'the Jew' terminology) has said anything that is anti-semitic or racist. If you choose to define anti-Zionism as anti-semitism then hundreds of millions of people (including many Jews) are guilty. But that is like an apologist for South African apartheid calling opposition to race laws and bantustans 'racist'.

    Where I do agree with you is when you say a large proportion of the UK Jewish population have rejected the Labour Party and feel concerned. That is no surprise after a 4 year campaign to achieve that end. There is a rise in genuine incidents of anti-semitism in Europe (mainly from the populist right and Islamists) and some incidents of anti-semitism inside the Labour Party (too many but the public perception is not based on the reality). Many of the allegation refer to people on social media who have nothing to do with Labour (e.g. 80% of Margaret Hodge's list) or refer to words or incidents that are not anti-semitic at all. I have referenced some of those cases earlier in the thread (you did not respond). Life long anti-racists have been expelled from Labour but usually for 'bringing the party into disrepute' (embarrassing the party) after the anti-semitism claims were quietly dropped - like Tony Greenstein.

    None of this helps the real fight against anti-semitism or the other forms of racism that you have decided are not as important.

  9. #189

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    Kipper is derived from UKIP - as you know. The political viewpoint you display on here most often.

    I have no idea what 'Kippah' means. I do know it isn't Kipper.

    Your anti-semitic posts and references are there for all to see. As are your hysterical and unfounded attacks on other posters. As I said in an earlier post, if you were a member of the Labour Party saying some of those things you would be suspended!

    I don't think any other poster (leaving aside LOM with his 'the Jew' terminology) has said anything that is anti-semitic or racist. If you choose to define anti-Zionism as anti-semitism then hundreds of millions of people (including many Jews) are guilty. But that is like an apologist for South African apartheid calling opposition to race laws and bantustans 'racist'.

    Where I do agree with you is when you say a large proportion of the UK Jewish population have rejected the Labour Party and feel concerned. That is no surprise after a 4 year campaign to achieve that end. There is a rise in genuine incidents of anti-semitism in Europe (mainly from the populist right and Islamists) and some incidents of anti-semitism inside the Labour Party (too many but the public perception is not based on the reality). Many of the allegation refer to people on social media who have nothing to do with Labour (e.g. 80% of Margaret Hodge's list) or refer to words or incidents that are not anti-semitic at all. I have referenced some of those cases earlier in the thread (you did not respond). Life long anti-racists have been expelled from Labour but usually for 'bringing the party into disrepute' (embarrassing the party) after the anti-semitism claims were quietly dropped - like Tony Greenstein.

    None of this helps the real fight against anti-semitism or the other forms of racism that you have decided are not as important.
    A kippah is a Jewish skullcap Jon. He knows very well what "kipper" means in this context and he knew very well you weren't referencing a skullcap to be provocative or racist in any way.

    He may not be anywhere near the sharpest knife in the drawer but he knows when to stir shit up and only because he hasn't the intellectual capacity to debate. He's just a vacuous shell regurgitating the same old dangerous rubbish.

  10. #190

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    In comes the stalking nutter with a bit of personal abuse. It seems to be saying that whilst he thinks anti semitism isn't dangerous , complaining about it is.
    As I said before , it's hardly just me saying this stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waynekerr55 View Post
    Without wishing to take this thread off on a tangent, good old Red Len pushing for Lexit that will no doubt hurt his membership.

    He's fine though with his gold plated pension, the massive c¨nt.

    Back on track, we are f¨cked, aren't we?
    good old capitalist hating Len

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...wards-his-flat

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...kers-interests

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    Like I said, he's fine.

  13. #193

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    Quote Originally Posted by waynekerr55 View Post
    Like I said, he's fine.
    The real boss is off again:

    In a wide-ranging interview, McCluskey said:

    Labour needed to get the election debate off Brexit and on to the day-to-day issues that really mattered to voters.

    The shadow cabinet should keep quiet about how it would campaign in the event of another referendum.

    (Love this one )
    White working-class supporters of leave in the 2016 referendum would be driven into the arms of a hard-right party unless their concerns about migration were dealt with.

    There would be no attempt to move Labour back to the centre if the party lost the election.

    He predicted paramilitary attacks on UK mainland ports as a result of the customs border down the Irish Sea that forms a key part of Johnsonĺs Brexit withdrawal deal

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    The real boss is off again:

    In a wide-ranging interview, McCluskey said:

    Labour needed to get the election debate off Brexit and on to the day-to-day issues that really mattered to voters.

    The shadow cabinet should keep quiet about how it would campaign in the event of another referendum.

    (Love this one )
    White working-class supporters of leave in the 2016 referendum would be driven into the arms of a hard-right party unless their concerns about migration were dealt with.

    There would be no attempt to move Labour back to the centre if the party lost the election.

    He predicted paramilitary attacks on UK mainland ports as a result of the customs border down the Irish Sea that forms a key part of Johnson’s Brexit withdrawal deal
    Some Labour voters are now far right voters and some Conservative voters are now Labour voters.

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    The three apologists here either deny anti semitism, say it's no big deal or explain that they're just very worried about the Palestinians and Zionism. They absolutely deny that the Nazis were any kind of socialists or that they'd really like to get the Jews.

    " I've got nothing against Jews, I just oppose the Israeli state and their unprovoked aggression against the peaceful Palestinisn people"

    - that's an old one ! Older than many might know though. I'm pretty sure that this clip is no surprise to any of the three people here to whom I've referred, but it's really worth watching for anyone who didn't know that the Nazis were saying this stuff a long time before they were....

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    The three apologists here either deny anti semitism, say it's no big deal or explain that they're just very worried about the Palestinians and Zionism. They absolutely deny that the Nazis were any kind of socialists or that they'd really like to get the Jews.

    " I've got nothing against Jews, I just oppose the Israeli state and their unprovoked aggression against the peaceful Palestinisn people"

    - that's an old one ! Older than many might know though. I'm pretty sure that this clip is no surprise to any of the three people here to whom I've referred, but it's really worth watching for anyone who didn't know that the Nazis were saying this stuff a long time before they were....
    Aye those peacful Palestinians , and thier rockets,of course they want to live in harmony and if Israel put down all thier weapons and opened thier borders ,peace would be all around .🤔

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    "The clear and present danger of Labour Anti semitism "

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/po...anti-semitism/

    This interesting article highlights exactly the stuff we've read in this thread from the gang of three.

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    Quote from anybody here saying Palestine is peaceful? The vast majority of Israeli and Palestinian people are peaceful, do you dispute that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    Quote from anybody here saying Palestine is peaceful? The vast majority of Israeli and Palestinian people are peaceful, do you dispute that?
    Certainly not , what you can see though is people taking sides and as the video shows folks hate those Jews.

    And were surprised at there modern day aggression, I guess they don't want a repeat ?

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    That last video is presented in such a way as its propaganda as Ive heard it said that at least half a million Muslims fought for the Allies in ww2 and that Muslims were fully behind the Allies with only a small percentage of extremists for the other side, as regards the other side Germany was said to have had a big hand in the creation of Israel even without ww2 and that is because throughout the 1930's Hitlers Germany were big supporters of Zionism, Hamburg to Haifa line and all that, where the aims of both perversely coincided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    Quote from anybody here saying Palestine is peaceful? The vast majority of Israeli and Palestinian people are peaceful, do you dispute that?
    Yeah I probably would actually Eric. You've got to listen to the street there to see how impossible reconciliation seems. I'd say the majority of Palestinian Arabs and an increasing minority of Israelis display a horrible hatred of each other which has gone beyond the issues and beyond reason.
    The Israeli government has tried everything to include the Arabs in a democratic society but they'll often say that nothing except every Jew dead would satisfy them. They're often quite simple people who are nonetheless fanatical in their cause to the point where they'll attack a modern military force with stones, or self detonate in a public place full of women and kids. They not infrequently display swastikas or pictures of Hitler during all this by the way.

    They're not going to win this horrible endless war which they insist on waging, and I've often thought that the foreign anti Semitic politicians like George Galloway and Corbyn who encourage them to wage Jihad are their real enemies.
    In Jordan and Egypt they've been much harsher on Palestinians than Israel , which has tried to engage them in democracy, but we don't hear complaints from these politicians about that, and that shows me that their motives aren't really humanitarian.
    This troubled country can't ever find peace or reconciliation whilst one side is being driven by foreign race hate and encouragement of terrorism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trampie09 View Post
    That last video is presented in such a way as its propaganda as Ive heard it said that at least half a million Muslims fought for the Allies in ww2 and that Muslims were fully behind the Allies with only a small percentage of extremists for the other side, as regards the other side Germany was said to have had a big hand in the creation of Israel even without ww2 and that is because throughout the 1930's Hitlers Germany were big supporters of Zionism, Hamburg to Haifa line and all that, where the aims of both perversely coincided.

    Ken Livingstone got into all sorts of trouble saying that stuff Trampie, but I take your point.
    However, you missed the point a bit because it's not a question of Islam in general, but the fact that the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and the local Arabs in what is now Israel were, and remain , empathetic with the Nazis in their wish to exterminate all Jews.
    In turn, some modern socialists and some in this thread are empathetic with them.

    Unless they're so stupid that they don't know all this, we must conclude that there's something nasty and unsaid lurking in their minds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    Ken Livingstone got into all sorts of trouble saying that stuff Trampie, but I take your point.
    However, you missed the point a bit because it's not a question of Islam in general, but the fact that the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and the local Arabs in what is now Israel were, and remain , empathetic with the Nazis in their wish to exterminate all Jews.
    In turn, some modern socialists and some in this thread are empathetic with them.

    Unless they're so stupid that they don't know all this, we must conclude that there's something nasty and unsaid lurking in their minds.
    What they did to Red Ken and others is awful and it does the Jewish cause no good at all imho and seems to be going on all the time, I think it was something like 15% of the German Jewish population that left Germany for Palestine in the preceding years leading up to WW2 all this against our will, we ran the place it was our mandate and the Germans and German Jews were evading our gun boats to break our blockade.

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    Re: Jewish group walks away from Labour

    I think I met Tom Heller a few years ago when he was a Foxhill GP and i worked for Housing.

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    I think I met Tom Heller a few years ago when he was a Foxhill GP and i worked for Housing.
    A fantastic claim !

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    I think I met Tom Heller a few years ago when he was a Foxhill GP and i worked for Housing.
    Congratulations

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    Re: Jewish group walks away from Labour

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    A fantastic claim !
    I am very sorry that Tom Heller is not a President, just a normal GP. Still, a good man and well worth knowing.

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    Congratulations
    Thank you very much. Always nice to rub shoulders with good people who talk sense. I recommend it!

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