"Freedom is such a contrary beast
It's craved by those whose solitary aim
Is to deny it to those who have the least
The better to exploit for fortune and fame'
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"Freedom is such a contrary beast
It's craved by those whose solitary aim
Is to deny it to those who have the least
The better to exploit for fortune and fame'
Sects you say ! That sounds very barbaric and dangerous - what do you think they're up to in their sect meetings ? Secretly running the world or maybe human sacrifice ?
There are different denominations just as there are in Christianity, but surprisingly most Jewish people aren't in sects. There are some extreme Jewish sects of course just as there are some extreme Christian sects and there are Jewish people who are atheists.
What if I asked you which Christian sect you were in ?
Since you're keeping records of the different types of Jews you might encounter , there are liberal / socialist Jews, just as there are liberal / socialist members of most other races, and they tend to be aetheists or at least not keep their traditions - bit like all other socialists I expect and even they don't deserve to be considered differently from other citizens. I'd guess that most of those defending labour are socialist Jews who, like socialist Christians seem to regard their politics as an alternative to a religion.
I really don't think you're anything like the impression you're giving Trampie. I rarely agree with you about anything, but I don't sense any deliberate racism of the sort which comes from some others here. I just think you don't understand some stuff and probably haven't met that many Jews, who are really not that different to you.
I say you haven't met that many Jews but you've probably met far more than you know because actually they don't all go around wearing kippahs and black suits , speaking with strange accents from no known language or trying to lend you money at high interests. Your postman could be Jewish. Hey , did you even know there are black Jews ?
Oh I see Ronnie you do not want to answer but as a result of not answering its difficult for anybody including myself to take you seriously, I like to think I've made some salient points on this thread in my posts but most of the time you totally ignore the points I've raised and you will often respond by going off on different tangents to the points I've raised I can only assume you have no answer to the points I've raised and therefore I think you are trolling this board on this subject.
I'd say the same about the points I've made, but please tell me which points I haven't addressed and I will.
Can you not understand why people find the question " Are you a Jew ?" when it's not relevant just a BIT offensive after what happened in the not too distant past ?
A Jew is entitled to an opinion just as much as anyone else , and whilst I believe you honestly can't see this, it's a horrible concept that we view the values of a person's opinion through a racial prism.
You keep telling me " this Jew says so and so" , but quite properly we don't enquire into your race or anyone else's before evaluating their words
I think people might well view you as an anti-Semitic Ronnie, you say Margolyes is eccentric, you say that Bercow is someone you don't like [without giving a reason] and you say you regard Chomsky as quite evil and that's just the last few posts you have made.
I'm anti Semitic ?
A very dishonest thing to say Trampie. It's not of course anti Semitic to disagree with or dislike individuals who are Jewish - the important thing there being INDIVIDUALS.
You're just being silly now , but it's very worrying that you'd apparently say anything to support your favoured politicians , even if that's to ignore anti semitism and try to blame the victims.
Maybe you don't understand how serious the subject is.
When responding to a post about a Jewish person Ronnie you refer to 'Uncle Tom' type characters and that is a derogatory term based on race, making a case for liking some people and not liking masses of other people does not wash or stand up to scrutiny as regards being anti-Semitic, are you saying that Corbyn and other accused Labour members don't like any Jewish people at all ?, therefore Corbyn et al cant be accused by you if they like just one Jewish person according to your logic.
You are digging a hole for yourself Ronnie as regards anti-Semitism and your case against Labour.
Only in you're opinion and perhaps that of two or three anti Semites in this thread. The balance of public opinion and the majority of Jews has swung in the opposite direction, which seems clear.
Uncle Tom isn't derogatory to a man's race but very widely applied to black people who pander to racists.
"Uncle Tom is the title character of Harriet Beecher Stowe's 1852 novel, Uncle Tom's Cabin. The term "Uncle Tom" is also used as a derogatory epithet for an exceedingly subservient person, particularly when that person is aware of their own lower-class status based on race." Wiki
The character was accepting toward slavery and defended the "white folk" who bought and sold him.
This is a very common term in the world at large Trampie and I don't think anyone else regards it as racist.
Your point about how you can't be accused of being anti Semitic if you like one Jewish person , "according to my logic" , is a bit confused and self defeating.
I think perhaps you're not old enough to remember the civil rights movement or apartheid, because you don't seem to know that you're putting forward all the old arguments which were used to justify racism against black people in the sixties.
You made a post in response to a post about Jewish lady Miriam Margolyes where you used the phrase Uncle Tom as well as words like eccentric, you are quick to label people but anyone reading this thread might well label you due to the things you say about some Jewish people and the derogatory terms you use to do with race.
Might they ?
They certainly might looking at your posts Ronnie.
I don't want to be rude Trampie, because you're obviously a kid, but it's very hard indeed to engage you in a sensible discussion. I've tried to encourage you to express yourself and think a bit but you're not getting it at the moment
Somebody that has obviously got more years behind them than ahead of them is hardly a kid Ronnie, you have an issue with facts and I deal in facts.Originally Posted by RonnieBird
Why is the refereference 'Ju Ju ' offensive, I note it was used against an ex Labour MP by a brave social media , union bully boy
JuJu is a West African religion. I'm not sure anyone regards it as particularly offensive. But you're absolutely right about union people, they're looking after all of us and they have been very courageous throughout their history. Well done on you for pointing this out!
What ? Seriously , I thought you were about 17 or 18 and trying to join in.
How do you define a fact by the way ?
I can see that somebody like yourself Ronnie does seem to struggle with facts.
And I can see that you struggle with what you mean by facts.
Another anti-semitic attack on the street in London!
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...n-north-london
An appolgy at last phew .
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...-he-very-sorry
He's been apologising since at leat early last year. Just didn't do ir (probably a mistake) again for Andrew Neil.
Your point ??
Obvious - even for you!
Nope please tell me and others.
If you (maybe not 'others') really need it spelt out.... The news report describes a violent street attack by two people on a visiting Rabbi in London that included anti-semitic threats and left him bleeding on the pavement.
Rabbi Herschel Gluck chairman of Shomrim, a neighbourhood watch group that monitors hate crimes against the Jewish community, reported the attack and was critical of the police response. Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott immediately condemned the attack when it was reported in the Jewish Chronicle online and Corbyn spoke to Gluck directly.
Gluck confirmed that Corbyn “phoned to find out what happened and to express his shock and empathy with the community”.
He added: “We deeply appreciate his concern. He sounded extremely genuine. He was the only party leader who called.
This has nothing to do with the political climate in any shape or form. This is classic antisemitism and it needs to be seen as such and dealt with as such.”
That is a relevant contribution to this thread isn't it? You claim to want to see 'balance' but maybe that is just your impulse to slag off Labour whenever there is a discussion on Tory/Trump misdeeds? You and your best mate have been happily chucking in links to people who are attacking Corbyn or Labour on this issue. You don't seem happy to have a reference that tells a different story. Why?
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