Reply With QuoteIf Mossad wanted to discredit or otherwise **** up a political party, they'd certainly do something a lot stronger than that TrampieOriginally Posted by trampie09
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People who deliver newspapers in inclement weather and people cleaning the shit out of dustbins are heroes in my opinion. I think your mind is playing tricks on you because I've never implied otherwise.
If Mossad wanted to discredit or otherwise **** up a political party, they'd certainly do something a lot stronger than that Trampie
Bollocks ! You were trying to put me down by calling me a dustman and the only inference from that is that you think dustmen are some kind of scum.
Words have meanings and you're particularly prone to giving away your true motives by using them so basically. You know, when you call Jewish people , " your sort" ..... that kind of thing.
Like the King David Hotel type of thing is it ?
Calm down Phil, your imagination is running away with you. I was actually trying to salute you for doing a real job. Do you think you suffer from some preoccupation with self worth?
No. Do you think you bother me ?
It's most unsavoury the way you stalk someone and try to dent their self esteem and try to make them worry about you spying on them, but I'm afraid you've picked an impossible target with me because I'm very comfortable and generally regarded as very accomplished.
As I've said before , I've dealt professionally - in one way or another - with people like you before, so I know exactly where you stand in the food chain , and the pathetic little games you try to play.
I've also told you before that you should have a word with yourself about this conduct.
That's a whole subject in itself, and I not only disapprove of it, but regard it as having been a most unwise action by those responsible.
I'd say that it was a long time ago, but to those who suffered as a result that is no comfort.
It was perhaps the first terrorist act of modern times, and we know for a fact that it provided the model for the actions of Palestinian terrorists against Jews for a long long time to come.
Some believe that it also came into the thinking of PIRA and INLA too.
I think you're getting overwrought Philip. You've even invented me as a stalker now? What dreadful fitful sleep do you endure? I shan't engage with you anymore tonight, I can see the stress is getting to you. I hope you feel a lot better tomorrow
They did the Sergeant killings as well, hang British soldiers and booby trapped the area around the bodies to try and kill more British people when we cut their bodies down, both events just after the war against Hitler and everything we did to try and help them and that's how they repaid us.
Actually I've has a very nice day thank you very much.
I think it's perhaps a bit more complicated than that. When you say "they", you do know that there were Jewish people in the British Army and Palestine Police don't you ?
It was a terrible time, and the losses were far worse than people appreciate now .
Also, I assume you know that helping the Jews played no part whatever in the decisions of GB , the USA and the USSR to fight Germany? Of course it was beneficial to Jews that the allied forces released those still alive and treated them kindly, but they could hardly have left them in the camps could they ?
As touched upon by Trampie, there were many others in the camps such as Russians and Slavs.
I think you'll find that British Jews fought against Germany because they were British.
This is another thing which should probably be its own thread.
Ronnie a 100,000 German Jews fought for the Kaiser against the British in the Great War, most volunteered, some Jews fought for our side in ww1 but a large proportion of the Jewish population in Germany at the time fought against us, some also fought against us as well as for us in the ww2.
I would personally say nationality and religion is an accident of birth.
I think its fits a narrative and a vote a lot of folk dislike the jew or what it stands for mainly in he name of jealousy and success and that may appeal to voters , so why close it down completely and deliver a real discipline like life bans for the party ,I wonder how long it is before we see Livingstone and Chris Williamson re admitted ?
Yes, I think Mossard have more pressing matters at hand , and as you say , we will know soon enough if and when they decide to act .
What, in your opinion, did Chris Williamson MP say or do that was anti-semitic?
Surely saying that anti-semitism is a special case implies that it is more important to deal with anti-semitism than islamaphobia, and therefore the Jews are more important than Muslims. Racism should be called out and dealt with irrespective of who the intended target is.
Anti Semitism is certainly not a special case, all racism should be treated the same, other groups have suffered over the years Armenians, Kurds, Irish etc, I think all people are equal, do Jewish people believe they are a chosen people or something ?, they should be treated no better or no worse than anyone else.
PS There is no such thing as a Jewish race, its just a religion.
No, it's not saying that at all.
I think many people, including Jews , are often much too thin skinned about perceived racism. What we're talking about here is a political philosophy which holds a particular race to be bad, and that's important because we have seen it lead to serious persecution and genocide in fairly recent times.
There's no history of Moslems being rounded up , imprisoned and executed by European socialists in modern times, and we aren't hearing it said then defended by a particular extremist political party.
It's also true to say that Islam is a religion rather than a race, so it's not quite the same thing, and without defending any unreasonable behaviour, it is true that some Moslems have acted violently against civilians in democratic countries. Therefore ,some hostility toward them might be connected to this fact. Jews, on the other hand ,commit no offence except for being Jews.
You can also see this in the Middle East, where a conflict exists between the only democracy in the region and radical Islam with all its cruel behaviour and jihad against civilians and liberal laws. Corbyn and Labour supports the side which executes homosexuals, stones women to death for being raped and encourages wife beating.
They don't support these things anywhere else, so we must wonder whether they do so simply because the side opposing them are Jews.
In short though, anti semitism is particularly important only because we know that it presents a real physical danger to millions of people.
Ps. I just noticed that you claim there's no Jewish race, and that's just wrong
If you're referring to the holocaust, then there is no history of Jews being rounded up, imprisoned and executed by European socialists either.
Again you are saying that anti-semitism is more important to deal with than islamophobia. There has been a huge surge in the numbers of anti-islam attacks in this country over recent years, this is important to deal with as well and is no less important than attacks on Jews and their communities.
This is probably a good time to link to the political compass analysis of historical figures.
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https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2
Ronnie, if the crux of your argument is that anti-semitism is more important because Hitler was a socialist then unless you have a vault of compelling evidence, i think we are probably at the point where it can be categorically said that you are physically incapable of being objective on this subject.
Ask the Labour party they suspended him ,then tried to reinstate him ,got rebuffed by the courts ,what a lovely man and party they are these days by trying to reinstate him they clearly can't see any problems with this antisemitism :
And as Boris has a rightful being challenged by the courts its only right I hare the courts view on his behavior and that of the Labour party attempt to reinstate him ::
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-50002636
An MP has lost his High Court bid to be reinstated to the Labour Party after he was suspended in an anti-Semitism row.
Chris Williamson was suspended in February after claiming Labour had "been too apologetic" in its response to criticism of handling allegations.
He was reinstated in June but was suspended again after a backlash from MPs, peers and Jewish groups.
However the judge also ruled Labour acted unlawfully when it reopened the disciplinary case against the MP.
The Derby North MP, who raised more than £60,000 to fund his legal challenge, remains suspended from the party but he said he would continue to fight to clear his name.
'No reason for reopening case'
In his ruling, Mr Justice Pepperall said the Labour Party "acted unfairly in that there was no proper reason for reopening the case against Mr Williamson".
However, he said there was "nothing in the new allegations, the timing of the letter of 3 September or the decision to suspend that entitles me to take the view upon the papers that the Labour party is acting either unfairly or other than in good faith".
"I therefore refuse relief in respect of Mr Williamson's recent re-suspension. The new disciplinary case must run its course," he said.
Mr Justice Pepperall said: "It is important to stress at the outset of this judgement that this case is not about whether Mr Williamson is, or is not, anti-Semitic or even whether he has, or has not, breached the rules of the Labour Party.
"The issue is whether the party has acted lawfully in its investigation and prosecution of such charges against Mr Williamson."
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/d...itism-1.490131
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/s...itism-1.491121
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/e...-jews-1.491112
These uploads could go on for hours and nasty Boris gets warned about disrespectful language.
Its so inconsistent
No one should be objective about something they've considered for over half a century then decided upon. What you mean is that we have differing opinions on the matter, which I doubt could be resolved by anyone changing their mind.
Forget Hitler then ,for the purposes of this conversation . Stalin was certainly a socialist , and he probably killed more Jews than Hitler.
It goes way beyond that, Eric. The crux of his argument (or assertion) is not just that socialists are nazis and nazis are anti-semites, therefore socialists are anti-semites, but that the British Labour Party - or at least large parts of it - are planning a bloodbath against Jewish people! He's pumping out this shit whilst wallowing in holocaust denial and anti-semitic tropes (that would have him on a disciplinary charge if he was a member of the British Labour Party!) and proudly announcing a hierarchy of racism that marginalises brown skinned victims. I don't think it is physical incapacity that is the problem, but cognitive incapacity maybe. Either that or extreme trolling by a very sad case. At the risk of feeding the troll:
https://www.hmd.org.uk/learn-about-t...ade-unionists/
https://fullfact.org/online/nazis-socialists/
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