Anybody But Conservatives

[Taunton Blue Genie]

The one thing that doesn't yet seem to have happened in this volatile and changing political environment is a campaign for England to become independent and jettison the Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland, areas where public spending outstrips tax receipts.

[Wales-Bales]

The one thing that doesn't yet seem to have happened in this volatile and changing political environment is a campaign for England to become independent and jettison the Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland, areas where public spending outstrips tax receipts.

Volatile AND changing?

[Penywaun gentrified]

And why is this? Generations of under investment in our economy, transport infrastructure etc when support was needed to give us a chance to adapt to structural changes in Wales' economy. So it is no surprise that a low wage economy generates smaller tax income. The same is true for the forgotten industrial areas across the UK. I'm not a Nationalist but Wales is treated dreadfully by Westminster and a right wing Tory Government will make no attempt to address past underinvestment. They won't even match European aid which seeks to address this disparity in economic performance and resulting poverty. Unfortunately, many Welsh people see 'our country' as meaning the UK due to a lack of a Welsh media and believe we are in the same boat as the south east of England. If only.

[trampie09]

And why is this? Generations of under investment in our economy, transport infrastructure etc when support was needed to give us a chance to adapt to structural changes in Wales' economy. So it is no surprise that a low wage economy generates smaller tax income. The same is true for the forgotten industrial areas across the UK. I'm not a Nationalist but Wales is treated dreadfully by Westminster and a right wing Tory Government will make no attempt to address past underinvestment. They won't even match European aid which seeks to address this disparity in economic performance and resulting poverty. Unfortunately, many Welsh people see 'our country' as meaning the UK due to a lack of a Welsh media and believe we are in the same boat as the south east of England. If only.

Good post.

[life on mars]

The one thing that doesn't yet seem to have happened in this volatile and changing political environment is a campaign for England to become independent and jettison the Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland, areas where public spending outstrips tax receipts.

I was thinking that myself , how wealthy they would become ,gosh it must be tempting , I would worry though for Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland surviving , probably need a big hike in tax to supplement the social goals, Independence and the overall burden of the public sector .

[RonnieBird]

I was thinking that myself , how wealthy they would become ,gosh it must be tempting , I would worry though for Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland surviving , probably need a big hike in tax to supplement the social goals, Independence and the overall burden of the public sector .

Having lived and worked in England since before many posters here were born , I can assure you that if the subject of Wales or Scotland arises, ( which it almost never does), the idea of getting rid of them does quickly follow. I've always said that if the SNP put candidates up in England they'd soon get enough mp's to leave on a vote of the House.
Unfortunately we're never going to be a world power again, so the advantage of a bigger land mass and potential military manpower no longer means much. A split would result in four small countries . One of them, England, would be very rich and the others would be very poor.
One in fact would struggle to find food and shelter for its population because it has no rescources - and we know which one that is.

[trampie09]

Having lived and worked in England since before many posters here were born , I can assure you that if the subject of Wales or Scotland arises, ( which it almost never does), the idea of getting rid of them does quickly follow. I've always said that if the SNP put candidates up in England they'd soon get enough mp's to leave on a vote of the House.
Unfortunately we're never going to be a world power again, so the advantage of a bigger land mass and potential military manpower no longer means much. A split would result in four small countries . One of them, England, would be very rich and the others would be very poor.
One in fact would struggle to find food and shelter for its population because it has no rescources - and we know which one that is.

Wales is a net exporter of electricity and water, England is a net importer of both, England is set to run out of water in about 25 years, they recon they will be fighting wars over water in the future and Wales has it in abundance, I seen it the other day if England paid Wales the current going rate for water it would be worth more than 2 grand a year to every man, woman and child in Wales, we have lots of energy and electricity and lots of farm land and we are mainly surrounded by sea, Wales has enormous potential for tourism, beaches, mountains, castles etc.
The English are coming here in droves, mainly retired people with money leave England and come to Wales for the 'good life', we would definitely have to have a points system for immigration control as Wales is a highly desirable place for people to come but lots are not working age.
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