I’m embarrassed by the attitude of City fans on here

[Hilts]

I disagree. When they played Cardiff this season, Fulham were ridiculous. It was as if they were frightened to take City on. I don't know whether that was the inexperience of their manager shining through or whether they were worried about what happened the year before when they played down here, but their efforts at the CCS were pathetic. They played into City's hands, which was just as well as they're definitely a more talented team.

I've watched Fulham live on TV twice since that game and they've been much more entertaining. The evidence I've seen suggests they don't usually play like they did when they came here, just as City don't usually play the way they did when they caved in at Reading.

There seems to be no middle ground with you these days. You seem convinced that it's either a choice between Warnock's abysmal tactics or a team that plays the ball across the back and does nothing else. Surely you can see there's a balance to be had here?

As for last season being as good as it gets at this club in terms of excitement, you can't possibly be serious.

He said last 2 seasons.

[The Lone Gunman]

He said last 2 seasons.

He did. Which I suspect includes last season.

[the other bob wilson]

Goals, saves, big tackles, dribbles, long accurate passes, big headers, crosses, shots = entertaining

More than one way of achieving this.

Or is the more passes. Irrespective of whether it’s sideways, backwards 5 yards or 2 that = more entertaining

Last2 seasons were probably as good as it got for excitement for me at this club, with a ‘dinosaur manager’

The most boring team I’ve seen this season were Fulham.
All that money, but dragged down with an obsession in playing 1 way.

20 passes around the back followed by a cross field ball gobbled up by our defence, unless Artur gave it away first ��

You’ve always said you didn’t want to go that far, so wait and see, Harris might just be the next stepping stone toward what you want. His Millwall in the first season were a mix before he lost Saville and Gregory. With the likes of Murphy , Hoillet, Lang, Bennett, Ward and Tomlin he may be able to do more.

I hate to see people written off before they are given a fair chance

A complete change of style would have been disaster and deep down I’m sure everyone feared that.

Anyway that’s me done now, I’ll leave you all to moan amongst yourselves.

That's not something I recognise at Cardiff City for most of the last two years. To be fair, there were times when we played well last season that I enjoyed, but, as far as the Championship goes, I haven't been genuinely entertained by a City performance in ages - I enjoyed the promotion of course, but it was a grind from the turn of the year onwards.

[Tuerto]

Goals, saves, big tackles, dribbles, long accurate passes, big headers, crosses, shots = entertaining

More than one way of achieving this.

Or is the more passes. Irrespective of whether it’s sideways, backwards 5 yards or 2 that = more entertaining

Last2 seasons were probably as good as it got for excitement for me at this club, with a ‘dinosaur manager’

The most boring team I’ve seen this season were Fulham.
All that money, but dragged down with an obsession in playing 1 way.

20 passes around the back followed by a cross field ball gobbled up by our defence, unless Artur gave it away first 😂

You’ve always said you didn’t want to go that far, so wait and see, Harris might just be the next stepping stone toward what you want. His Millwall in the first season were a mix before he lost Saville and Gregory. With the likes of Murphy , Hoillet, Lang, Bennett, Ward and Tomlin he may be able to do more.

I hate to see people written off before they are given a fair chance

A complete change of style would have been disaster and deep down I’m sure everyone feared that.

Anyway that’s me done now, I’ll leave you all to moan amongst yourselves.

Long accurate passes? I hope you're not referring to us-None of them are accurate, how can a 40 yard long ball that is put in the air be accurate, it's impossible. Warnock played percentages, hoping for the knock down or second ball in the final third. I have found the football that we play incredibly frustrating, nearly everything was geared up towards the opposition making a mistake under pressure or one of our wingers getting fouled. Then he brought Glatzel in who has zero ability in protecting the ball.

I'm not writing off Harris, i'm more pissed off with the idiots in the boardroom, Maybe Harris can get that balance between long ball and channels and allowing our midfield to create and move into advanced positions, this isn't about passing the ball about for the sake of it, it's about showing some method and allowing players a bit of freedom to express themselves at the right time, that's not a revolutionary concept, it's basic stuff. We find ourselves where we are because of the way Warnock plays, to give him credit, we ended up in the Premier league because of how he played, but like i said, it's not sustainable, it gets found out and we've almost ended up (playing wise) where we were when he came here. We haven't made much progress and that's because of the football.

I'm behind Harris even though i didn't want him. I hope that he can change things about a bit and get us playing, maybe develop the odd youngster. I don't mind if he is a bit direct as long as there's some method to it. Under Warnock there wasn't any, at times it was shocking.

[dembethewarrior]

Goals, saves, big tackles, dribbles, long accurate passes, big headers, crosses, shots = entertaining

More than one way of achieving this.

Or is the more passes. Irrespective of whether it’s sideways, backwards 5 yards or 2 that = more entertaining

Last2 seasons were probably as good as it got for excitement for me at this club, with a ‘dinosaur manager’

The most boring team I’ve seen this season were Fulham.
All that money, but dragged down with an obsession in playing 1 way.

20 passes around the back followed by a cross field ball gobbled up by our defence, unless Artur gave it away first 😂

You’ve always said you didn’t want to go that far, so wait and see, Harris might just be the next stepping stone toward what you want. His Millwall in the first season were a mix before he lost Saville and Gregory. With the likes of Murphy , Hoillet, Lang, Bennett, Ward and Tomlin he may be able to do more.

I hate to see people written off before they are given a fair chance

A complete change of style would have been disaster and deep down I’m sure everyone feared that.

Anyway that’s me done now, I’ll leave you all to moan amongst yourselves.

Didn’t realise it was a stole cold fact a change in style would be a disaster.

I didn’t fear it, I don’t see us going up this season whatever happens so I was open to a change even if it meant mid table and up and down results.

I’m not writing off the manager, I’m writing off what I’ve seen of his style, I’m sick to the back of my throat of watching us ****ing hoof the ball, send the big men up EVERY set piece, wait for a big thrower to make his way up the pitch for EVERY throw in, rely on big men and set pieces. I’m sick to **** of it.

Let me know if I’ve broken any football club supporting rules by having an opinion.

Sorry defence brigade, I’ve defended OGS, Slade and Trollope and even sides with Warnock when others were calling his football shit, but he broke me in the end and I can’t watch any more anti football.

If Harris mixes it up, great. I’ve got a feeling he’s gonna wanna stay in his job though and the easiest way to do that for him is to make us hard to beat.. if I’m wrong I’m wrong but that to me screams out hoof it.

[dembethewarrior]

I disagree. When they played Cardiff this season, Fulham were ridiculous. It was as if they were frightened to take City on. I don't know whether that was the inexperience of their manager shining through or whether they were worried about what happened the year before when they played down here, but their efforts at the CCS were pathetic. They played into City's hands, which was just as well as they're definitely a more talented team.

I've watched Fulham live on TV twice since that game and they've been much more entertaining. The evidence I've seen suggests they don't usually play like they did when they came here, just as City don't usually play the way they did when they caved in at Reading.

There seems to be no middle ground with you these days. You seem convinced that it's either a choice between Warnock's abysmal tactics or a team that plays the ball across the back and does nothing else. Surely you can see there's a balance to be had here?

As for last season being as good as it gets at this club in terms of excitement, you can't possibly be serious.

Bravo.

[dembethewarrior]

He did. Which I suspect includes last season.

[StraightOuttaCanton]

Long accurate passes? I hope you're not referring to us-None of them are accurate, how can a 40 yard long ball that is put in the air be accurate, it's impossible. Warnock played percentages, hoping for the knock down or second ball in the final third. I have found the football that we play incredibly frustrating, nearly everything was geared up towards the opposition making a mistake under pressure or one of our wingers getting fouled. Then he brought Glatzel in who has zero ability in protecting the ball.

I'm not writing off Harris, i'm more pissed off with the idiots in the boardroom, Maybe Harris can get that balance between long ball and channels and allowing our midfield to create and move into advanced positions, this isn't about passing the ball about for the sake of it, it's about showing some method and allowing players a bit of freedom to express themselves at the right time, that's not a revolutionary concept, it's basic stuff. We find ourselves where we are because of the way Warnock plays, to give him credit, we ended up in the Premier league because of how he played, but like i said, it's not sustainable, it gets found out and we've almost ended up (playing wise) where we were when he came here. We haven't made much progress and that's because of the football.

I'm behind Harris even though i didn't want him. I hope that he can change things about a bit and get us playing, maybe develop the odd youngster. I don't mind if he is a bit direct as long as there's some method to it. Under Warnock there wasn't any, at times it was shocking.

Your last paragraph is as close as anyone’s got despite hundreds of posts to expressing how I feel about it all. I have no direct personal insight of how Harris is going to approach it. People who watched Millwall (sorry ‘Wall’) regularly could maybe provide that better insight but I suspect that that’s no one who posts on here.

I’ll settle for him bringing some improvement into how we play - is he going to? I have no clue.... and rationally neither does anyone else. But a better Murphy, Tomlin, Mendez Laing and sorting out a defence that finds a man with their first ball would be enough green shoots for now.

The year is a non-event so I’m ok seeing if he turns it into something.

[Tuerto]

Your last paragraph is as close as anyone’s got despite hundreds of posts to expressing how I feel about it all. I have no direct personal insight of how Harris is going to approach it. People who watched Millwall (sorry ‘Wall’) regularly could maybe provide that better insight but I suspect that that’s no one who posts on here.

I’ll settle for him bringing some improvement into how we play - is he going to? I have no clue.... and rationally neither does anyone else. But a better Murphy, Tomlin, Mendez Laing and sorting out a defence that finds a man with their first ball would be enough green shoots for now.

The year is a non-event so I’m ok seeing if he turns it into something.

That's the rub, isn't it-All i'm asking for is some improvement. You're spot on about Murphy, Mendez etc improving and getting the defence to be a little more articulate on the ball. That's all i'm after as well!

Yet the line trotted out time after time is that Fulham are boring, they pass the ball for the sake of it and were relegated by Xmas during their premier league showing. Nobody on here has asked us to be Fulham or anyone else for that matter. When we have this conversation over our style of play, those that inadvertently defend it never really go into any detail over what they're defending, they just bring talk about Fulham etc-very odd, anyway, i don't think our fans would want us playing like that.

[the other bob wilson]

That's the rub, isn't it-All i'm asking for is some improvement. You're spot on about Murphy, Mendez etc improving and getting the defence to be a little more articulate on the ball. That's all i'm after as well!

Yet the line trotted out time after time is that Fulham are boring, they pass the ball for the sake of it and were relegated by Xmas during their premier league showing. Nobody on here has asked us to be Fulham or anyone else for that matter. When we have this conversation over our style of play, those that inadvertently defend it never really go into any detail over what they're defending, they just bring talk about Fulham etc-very odd, anyway, i don't think our fans would want us playing like that.

We live in a world where "grey areas" have become unfashionable. In football, this is reflected by a belief among many that you have to play either tippy tippy/tiki taka or the sort of stuff we've seen at City under the likes of Mackay, Slade and Warnock. I would ask these people who, apart from Fulham when they came here this season, plays possession for possession's sake week in, week out?

The best club side in this country, and possibly the world, currently knock long passes into the channels frequently, Liverpool also switch the point of play from one side of the pitch to the other by hitting thirty yard or more passes. The second best side in the country currently are managed by someone who is synomous with tiki/taka and yet one of their attacking moves involves their goalkeeper playing accurate long passes that sometimes lead directly to goals, so Man City play longer passes than anybody!

What this means is every team's footballing "philosophy" is centred in those unfashionable grey areas, even Cardiff City's! What I think I and others are hoping for is a move towards a more measured approach, not the extreme end of the scale that gets called tippy tappy.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

We live in a world where "grey areas" have become unfashionable. In football, this is reflected by a belief among many that you have to play either tippy tippy/tiki taka or the sort of stuff we've seen at City under the likes of Mackay, Slade and Warnock. I would ask these people who, apart from Fulham when they came here this season, plays possession for possession's sake week in, week out?

The best club side in this country, and possibly the world, currently knock long passes into the channels frequently, Liverpool also switch the point of play from one side of the pitch to the other by hitting thirty yard or more passes. The second best side in the country currently are managed by someone who is synomous with tiki/taka and yet one of their attacking moves involves their goalkeeper playing accurate long passes that sometimes lead directly to goals, so Man City play longer passes than anybody!

What this means is every team's footballing "philosophy" is centred in those unfashionable grey areas, even Cardiff City's! What I think I and others are hoping for is a move towards a more measured approach, not the extreme end of the scale that gets called tippy tappy.

In addition, while you mention the use of the long ball, I'm sure we'd all prefer our long balls to have some sort of end product, not the sort where it's lashed forward aimlessly hoping someone might win it or we might pick up a second ball. To that end, Warnock's sides with us were consistently atrocious at playing long balls, simply because they were so much hit and hope.

[Tuerto]

We live in a world where "grey areas" have become unfashionable. In football, this is reflected by a belief among many that you have to play either tippy tippy/tiki taka or the sort of stuff we've seen at City under the likes of Mackay, Slade and Warnock. I would ask these people who, apart from Fulham when they came here this season, plays possession for possession's sake week in, week out?

The best club side in this country, and possibly the world, currently knock long passes into the channels frequently, Liverpool also switch the point of play from one side of the pitch to the other by hitting thirty yard or more passes. The second best side in the country currently are managed by someone who is synomous with tiki/taka and yet one of their attacking moves involves their goalkeeper playing accurate long passes that sometimes lead directly to goals, so Man City play longer passes than anybody!

What this means is every team's footballing "philosophy" is centred in those unfashionable grey areas, even Cardiff City's! What I think I and others are hoping for is a move towards a more measured approach, not the extreme end of the scale that gets called tippy tappy.

We just need to be a bit more measured in my opinion and give players a chance to play. Warnock isn't stuck in the 70s or 80's, football wasn't that bad then, some of his play i more non league, geared up in a way so that bad players don't touch the ball very often and the only players who are allowed to have the ball are the fast kids out wide, where losing the ball in that area isn't so much of a problem. I'm very pleased that he's gone.

[life on mars]

It’s been a joke and it may still go tits up but you just don’t know how it’s going to pan out. Reading fans were singing Gomes praises in May. By start of October a lot wanted him out. It’s the way of things these days.

The same fans were on a rant about Bowen's appointment now that has calmed with a few positive results 3 wins a draw

[dembethewarrior]

Long accurate passes? I hope you're not referring to us-None of them are accurate, how can a 40 yard long ball that is put in the air be accurate, it's impossible. Warnock played percentages, hoping for the knock down or second ball in the final third. I have found the football that we play incredibly frustrating, nearly everything was geared up towards the opposition making a mistake under pressure or one of our wingers getting fouled. Then he brought Glatzel in who has zero ability in protecting the ball.

I'm not writing off Harris, i'm more pissed off with the idiots in the boardroom, Maybe Harris can get that balance between long ball and channels and allowing our midfield to create and move into advanced positions, this isn't about passing the ball about for the sake of it, it's about showing some method and allowing players a bit of freedom to express themselves at the right time, that's not a revolutionary concept, it's basic stuff. We find ourselves where we are because of the way Warnock plays, to give him credit, we ended up in the Premier league because of how he played, but like i said, it's not sustainable, it gets found out and we've almost ended up (playing wise) where we were when he came here. We haven't made much progress and that's because of the football.

I'm behind Harris even though i didn't want him. I hope that he can change things about a bit and get us playing, maybe develop the odd youngster. I don't mind if he is a bit direct as long as there's some method to it. Under Warnock there wasn't any, at times it was shocking.

I wonder what some of our fans watch.

That long ball by Ralls late in the jacks game anyone

[Dorcus]

This.

What's embarrassing is people's willingness to bend over and take it like we're not worthy.

Totally agree and it's so bloody embarrassing

[WJ99mobile]

Total bollocks.

There were better options and cheaper options. I think Bellamy or Sol would have even been a more popular choice with a similar budget and cost.

He’s got his work cut out to win the fans round. Let’s give him a chance but the frustration must be against the board who was unwilling to take a risk or have a bit of foresight.

[CardiffCitySince1927]

Total bollocks.

There were better options and cheaper options. I think Bellamy or Sol would have even been a more popular choice with a similar budget and cost.

He’s got his work cut out to win the fans round. Let’s give him a chance but the frustration must be against the board who was unwilling to take a risk or have a bit of foresight.

Sol Bamba wasn’t ready for the job. There’s no way that he could have actually done anything with us (especially as Blackwell and Jepson left).
Bellamy would not have come back so soon, especially after the bullying claims.

Harris is cheap, but, has experience in the league