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  1. #101

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    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    Zero hour contracts came to the fore between 2004 and 2009 (I know because I was one of the people who was made redundant at the time and put onto one by my employers) so this is not a Tory invention. It was as a result of the Countries financial problems at the time, presided over by a Labour Government, with many companies struggling and large numbers of properties being repossessed. The vast majority of jobs created since 2015 have been full or part time positions and at the same time tax free allowances and national/living wage rates have been increased dramatically, so it cannot possibly be said that the Economy has been poorly run in the last nine years.
    By what measure was the country in financial problems between 2004 and 2007?

  2. #102

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    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    How do you know that its my Tory lot by the way - I have voted for a number of different parties in the past but there is more chance of hell freezing over than me voting for these current ‘Labour bastards’ with their stalinist, anti-semitic, terrorist loving leader, shadow chancellor and policies designed to bankrupt the country.
    Time out needed for this little tyke.

  3. #103

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    Can you imagine the leader of your country hiding away in a fridge! He is a pathetic, nasty, self entitled prick. Unfortunately our media are complicit in his rise particularly the abject BBC. I dread the next five years of hard right wing policies.
    It’s going to be very rough.

  4. #104

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    Speaking of the BBC... (you can't embed tweets on here, can you?)

    https://twitter.com/SocialistBloke/s...27659013898241

  5. #105

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    I disagree, we have a less caring population who seem to think that paying tax towards good services that will benefit all of us is a bad idea and a society that celebrates the super rich. We have become greedy and self centred.
    Suppose every day ten men go into a bar and the bill for the drinks comes to £100. If they paid the bill the way we pay our taxes it would go something like this...
    The first four men ( the poorest) would pay nothing
    The fifth would pay £1
    The sixth would pay £3
    The seventh would pay £7
    The eighth would pay £12
    The ninth would pay £18
    the tenth ( the richest) would pay £59
    So that's what they decided to do.

    The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed happy with the arrangement until one day the owner said that they have been good customers so the bar bill will be reduced in the future to £80
    The group still wanted to pay the bill the way we pay taxes...so the first four men were unaffected, They would drink for free.
    But what of the other six? The paying customers.
    How could they divide the £20 windfall so that everyone had their fair share?
    They realised that £20 divided by six is £3.33. But if they subtracted that from each share the sixth man would end up being paid to drink his beer.
    So they decided that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by a higher percentage the poorer he was.
    So the fifth man, like the first four paid nothing ( 100%)
    The sixth paid £2 instead of £3 ( saving 33%)
    The seventh paid £5 instead of £7 ( saving 28%)
    The eighth paid £9 instead of £12 (saving25%)
    The ninth paid £14 instead of £18 (22%)
    The tenth( the richest) paid £49 instead of £59 (16%)
    Each of the six was better off than before and all was well until the sixth man said ..I only saved £1 of the £20
    That's right said the fifth man, I saved £1 too, but he got £10 back
    True said the seventh man, he got £10 and I got £2...The rich get all the breaks
    Wait a minute said the first four men...We got nothing at all. This just exploits the poor
    So...the nine men surrounded the tenth man and beat him up.
    The next day they met again at the bar but the tenth man didn't show. And when it came to pay the bill they discovered that without him they didn't have enough money to pay even half the bill.
    So that boys and girls, MPs and journalists is how the tax system works.
    The people who pay the highest taxes will naturally get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much and they may just not show up anymore
    For those who understand no explanation is needed.
    For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible

  6. #106

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    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    How do you know that its my Tory lot by the way - I have voted for a number of different parties in the past but there is more chance of hell freezing over than me voting for these current ‘Labour bastards’ with their stalinist, anti-semitic, terrorist loving leader, shadow chancellor and policies designed to bankrupt the country.
    Someone's been brainwashed by the Daily Mail

  7. #107

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    I disagree, we have a less caring population who seem to think that paying tax towards good services that will benefit all of us is a bad idea and a society that celebrates the super rich. We have become greedy and self centred.

  8. #108
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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    We had a worldwide economic recession and the banks crashed ......was labour responsible for the economic problems at the time in america , Canada , Germany , France etc ?
    No the banking collapse wasn't the fault of the Labour government but the fact that we had no money to protect ourselves was the fault of Gordon Brown who, despite his claims of balancing the budgets spent so much money that instead of having the surplus the government had actually earned by its policies we had to take on a huge debt to protect our country . An example is selling of the gold reserves at about the lowest price for gold in donkeys years when he had no financial need to sell it at all.
    People still remember the note left by an outgoing labour minister, "All the money's gone"
    The worst thing of all was that all the things he did were not because of any ideology but purely to piss of Tony Blair because he wanted his job.
    A job that when he got it he found he couldn't do it.

  9. #109

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pearcey3 View Post
    Can you imagine the leader of your country hiding away in a fridge! He is a pathetic, nasty, self entitled prick. Unfortunately our media are complicit in his rise particularly the abject BBC. I dread the next five years of hard right wing policies.
    It’s going to be very rough.
    Your first sentence says it all, but I will add Johnson's very strange reaction of taking a reporter's phone and sticking it in his pocket when being asked an awkward question - did he think doing that would bring his tricky situation to an end? Leaving aside the litany of dubious and dodgy aspects of his professional and private life, who would want someone who behaves in such a bizarre manner running this country?

  10. #110

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    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    Suppose every day ten men go into a bar and the bill for the drinks comes to £100. If they paid the bill the way we pay our taxes it would go something like this...
    The first four men ( the poorest) would pay nothing
    The fifth would pay £1
    The sixth would pay £3
    The seventh would pay £7
    The eighth would pay £12
    The ninth would pay £18
    the tenth ( the richest) would pay £59
    So that's what they decided to do.

    The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed happy with the arrangement until one day the owner said that they have been good customers so the bar bill will be reduced in the future to £80
    The group still wanted to pay the bill the way we pay taxes...so the first four men were unaffected, They would drink for free.
    But what of the other six? The paying customers.
    How could they divide the £20 windfall so that everyone had their fair share?
    They realised that £20 divided by six is £3.33. But if they subtracted that from each share the sixth man would end up being paid to drink his beer.
    So they decided that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by a higher percentage the poorer he was.
    So the fifth man, like the first four paid nothing ( 100%)
    The sixth paid £2 instead of £3 ( saving 33%)
    The seventh paid £5 instead of £7 ( saving 28%)
    The eighth paid £9 instead of £12 (saving25%)
    The ninth paid £14 instead of £18 (22%)
    The tenth( the richest) paid £49 instead of £59 (16%)
    Each of the six was better off than before and all was well until the sixth man said ..I only saved £1 of the £20
    That's right said the fifth man, I saved £1 too, but he got £10 back
    True said the seventh man, he got £10 and I got £2...The rich get all the breaks
    Wait a minute said the first four men...We got nothing at all. This just exploits the poor
    So...the nine men surrounded the tenth man and beat him up.
    The next day they met again at the bar but the tenth man didn't show. And when it came to pay the bill they discovered that without him they didn't have enough money to pay even half the bill.
    So that boys and girls, MPs and journalists is how the tax system works.
    The people who pay the highest taxes will naturally get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much and they may just not show up anymore
    For those who understand no explanation is needed.
    For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible
    It's a pretty shit analogy.

    Directly they are recieving the same thing (the pint) but it doesn't take into account the additional significant indirect benefits that the richer members of society experience when paying for vital services, these are exponential.

    Take a future billionaire at 3 years old and stick him in Somalia, does he still become a billionaire? Very unlikely... That billionaire has benefited incredibly from just being in the UK and continues to do so as they do business.

  11. #111

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    This video was from when Boris was in the Tory leadership contest a few months back, but the point made in it rings true for this election campaign.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1150350076377739266

    Someone should've locked him the fridge when the coward hid in it.

  12. #112

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    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    The vast majority of jobs created since 2015 have been full or part time positions
    Evidence?

  13. #113

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    It's a pretty shit analogy.

    Directly they are recieving the same thing (the pint) but it doesn't take into account the additional significant indirect benefits that the richer members of society experience when paying for vital services, these are exponential.

    Take a future billionaire at 3 years old and stick him in Somalia, does he still become a billionaire? Very unlikely... That billionaire has benefited incredibly from just being in the UK and continues to do so as they do business.
    Well that analogy isn't too bright either. But in your hypothetical example I guess it shows that the UK is a place where people can flourish

  14. #114

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    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    Suppose every day ten men go into a bar and the bill for the drinks comes to £100. If they paid the bill the way we pay our taxes it would go something like this...
    The first four men ( the poorest) would pay nothing
    The fifth would pay £1
    The sixth would pay £3
    The seventh would pay £7
    The eighth would pay £12
    The ninth would pay £18
    the tenth ( the richest) would pay £59
    So that's what they decided to do.

    The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed happy with the arrangement until one day the owner said that they have been good customers so the bar bill will be reduced in the future to £80
    The group still wanted to pay the bill the way we pay taxes...so the first four men were unaffected, They would drink for free.
    But what of the other six? The paying customers.
    How could they divide the £20 windfall so that everyone had their fair share?
    They realised that £20 divided by six is £3.33. But if they subtracted that from each share the sixth man would end up being paid to drink his beer.
    So they decided that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by a higher percentage the poorer he was.
    So the fifth man, like the first four paid nothing ( 100%)
    The sixth paid £2 instead of £3 ( saving 33%)
    The seventh paid £5 instead of £7 ( saving 28%)
    The eighth paid £9 instead of £12 (saving25%)
    The ninth paid £14 instead of £18 (22%)
    The tenth( the richest) paid £49 instead of £59 (16%)
    Each of the six was better off than before and all was well until the sixth man said ..I only saved £1 of the £20
    That's right said the fifth man, I saved £1 too, but he got £10 back
    True said the seventh man, he got £10 and I got £2...The rich get all the breaks
    Wait a minute said the first four men...We got nothing at all. This just exploits the poor
    So...the nine men surrounded the tenth man and beat him up.
    The next day they met again at the bar but the tenth man didn't show. And when it came to pay the bill they discovered that without him they didn't have enough money to pay even half the bill.
    So that boys and girls, MPs and journalists is how the tax system works.
    The people who pay the highest taxes will naturally get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much and they may just not show up anymore
    For those who understand no explanation is needed.
    For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible
    While all the men ended up with more money in their pockets, the landlord had less money coming into the pub. He laid off bar staff to save money but people complained about the poorer service and less people came into his pub. To combat this, he offered the 10 guys the same drinks for £50, saving them even more, but his pub crumbled away as he could no longer afford to maintain or invest in it.

  15. #115

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    While all the men ended up with more money in their pockets, the landlord had less money coming into the pub. He laid off bar staff to save money but people complained about the poorer service and less people came into his pub. To combat this, he offered the 10 guys the same drinks for £50, saving them even more, but his pub crumbled away as he could no longer afford to maintain or invest in it.
    Tell that to Wetherspoons.

  16. #116

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    When Britian went Bust is a good read. Labour government 1964 to 1969 interest rates were at 26%, subsequent Labour government had to go to the EMF to be bailed out, then we had continuous strikes due to the control exercised by the Unions. Every time Labour leaves office there is a financial crisis of one sort or another and the same could well happen again with Labour's proposed borrowings with their so called fully costed manifesto which conveniently omits the £58m to fund the WASPI women. Labour has been in continuous control in Wales and takes the Welsh vote for granted and has done little for the Principality. Even the Cardiff Bay Barrage was a Tory funded initiative. The problem with the current election is that we have 3 of the worst leaders in living memory and when it comes down to it is a question of voting for the least worst option.

  17. #117

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    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    Well that analogy isn't too bright either. But in your hypothetical example I guess it shows that the UK is a place where people can flourish
    Yeah, because of progressive taxation paying for public services, not in spite of it.

  18. #118

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    Don't be a little boy. I am just struggling to think of an economic target that the Conservatives set themselves and then subsequently hit, on time. Seems to me that it is hard to claim undeniable success when they didn't even achieve their own aims.
    Who does ? At least they have a go. Labour don't even bother to try e.g. Brexit - a clear committment in their manifesto

  19. #119

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pearcey3 View Post
    Can you imagine the leader of your country hiding away in a fridge! He is a pathetic, nasty, self entitled prick. Unfortunately our media are complicit in his rise particularly the abject BBC. I dread the next five years of hard right wing policies.
    It’s going to be very rough.
    Thats your opinion and you are entitled to it but I see the exact opposite. I dread five years of the country being run into the ground and bankrupted again by Labour. As usual, other people would have to pick up the bill, sort it out and get nothing but criticism for trying.

  20. #120

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    When Britian went Bust is a good read. Labour government 1964 to 1969 interest rates were at 26%, subsequent Labour government had to go to the EMF to be bailed out, then we had continuous strikes due to the control exercised by the Unions. Every time Labour leaves office there is a financial crisis of one sort or another and the same could well happen again with Labour's proposed borrowings with their so called fully costed manifesto which conveniently omits the £58m to fund the WASPI women. Labour has been in continuous control in Wales and takes the Welsh vote for granted and has done little for the Principality. Even the Cardiff Bay Barrage was a Tory funded initiative. The problem with the current election is that we have 3 of the worst leaders in living memory and when it comes down to it is a question of voting for the least worst option.
    Agree totally with this.

  21. #121

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    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    Thats your opinion and you are entitled to it but I see the exact opposite. I dread five years of the country being run into the ground and bankrupted again by Labour. As usual, other people would have to pick up the bill, sort it out and get nothing but criticism for trying.
    As opposed to being bankrupted by the Tories as we have been over the last 9 years?

    Fact - not one single independent fiscal organisation has agreed with the suggestion that Labour overspent prior to 2010, neither did it have any control over the financial crash. Fact - The Conservatives backed all of Labour's spending plans. Osborne recently confirmed this. Fact - Our debt has nearly tripled as a result of bailing out the banks. It could have been much lower but the Tories decided on tax cuts for the most well off and actively endorses tax avoidance by the big corporations (hence Brexit).

    This current government is hardly in any position to say it is better for the economy.

  22. #122

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    It's a pretty shit analogy.
    Can't you read? He said for those who understand no explanation is needed, for those who do not understand, no explanation is possible, he's a genius who's covered every possible base in terms of reactions to this analogy. And he copy pasted it off Facebook for that added gravitas

  23. #123

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    When Britian went Bust is a good read. Labour government 1964 to 1969 interest rates were at 26%, subsequent Labour government had to go to the EMF to be bailed out, then we had continuous strikes due to the control exercised by the Unions. Every time Labour leaves office there is a financial crisis of one sort or another and the same could well happen again with Labour's proposed borrowings with their so called fully costed manifesto which conveniently omits the £58m to fund the WASPI women. Labour has been in continuous control in Wales and takes the Welsh vote for granted and has done little for the Principality. Even the Cardiff Bay Barrage was a Tory funded initiative. The problem with the current election is that we have 3 of the worst leaders in living memory and when it comes down to it is a question of voting for the least worst option.

    No it wasn't a Tory funded initiative , labour controlled Cardiff city council had already started developing Cardiff bay , private money built the barrage under the quango Cardiff bay development corporation

  24. #124
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    I believe the sad truth in all of this is the monopolisation of the wealthy.

    The conservatives have currently been in power with successively worse and worse leaders. People thought David Cameron was bad... but why aren’t we talking about their quality of leadership and societal failings? Well the sad truth is it is all run by the tories. If you take the common morales that Labour voters are the working class while the Conservatives are the Rich. Then in theory, the out right winner of all elections are Labour. However, what the conservatives are doing is monopolising the media.

    Currently, there are two “left-wing” british newspapers, the Guardian and the Mirror. If we accept that the times is the only central newspaper is the independent (off the top of my head, correct me if I’m wrong). There are at least 5 major right wing newspapers, the Times, the Telegraph, the S*n, the Daily Express, the Daily Mail. This shows an obvious bias. A comment that it isn’t that bad only requires a quick google search UK has the most right wing media in Europe.

    So why is this?
    Welp, the conservatives aim at conserving wealth while Labour will aim to redistribute the wealth to the lower working class. The people in power of the newspapers are wealthy, and not looking for people to redistribute their wealth. So they utilise their power and reach impact elections.

    What does this mean?
    Well, as seen by current media outburst that Labour is antisemetic. I can neither agree or disagree with this as I have not kept on top of this. However, what I would comment is even if they are, surely a homophobic, lying, woman beating twat. None of those are undeniable as he: called gay men “bum boys”; sacked for lying by his newspaper; 999 call from his wife; and twat because he’s an etonian with no knowledge of how life works at the day to day level. Not even commenting on the Islamaphobia, Gulag comments, and the fact his policies are nothing other than Brexit done.
    Another comment is that Labour has no position on Brexit, where in all truth, they are neutral. The plan from Labour is to go to the EU and get the best deal they can, then give the public the last say. But still he’s being hounding for lacking a position. Simultaneously Boris is trying to get his deal through which a quote from a think tank brought together to suggest Brexit is a good idea, “will harm the economy in EVERY possible scenario.
    No media is commenting on how they have cut more and more public services by creating austerity, dementia tax, and brexit. The tory spindoctors have come up with a tactic to fight fire with a bigger fire in a different place. The things they have done to take the media off of the PM is remarkable. Grenfell victims, Benefit street cast should be put down, fact check uk and many many many many many more.

    Where else does it impact?
    Labour vs Conservative campaign money difference is utterly disgusting. For donations, Tories received near to £12M while Labour has recouped a measly in comparison £4-5M.



    I believe personally that the biggest disgrace of modern society is that the average person has been convinced by the 1% that the minimum wage workers are the problem.

  25. #125

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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiffCitySince1927 View Post
    I believe the sad truth in all of this is the monopolisation of the wealthy.

    The conservatives have currently been in power with successively worse and worse leaders. People thought David Cameron was bad... but why aren’t we talking about their quality of leadership and societal failings? Well the sad truth is it is all run by the tories. If you take the common morales that Labour voters are the working class while the Conservatives are the Rich. Then in theory, the out right winner of all elections are Labour. However, what the conservatives are doing is monopolising the media.

    Currently, there are two “left-wing” british newspapers, the Guardian and the Mirror. If we accept that the times is the only central newspaper is the independent (off the top of my head, correct me if I’m wrong). There are at least 5 major right wing newspapers, the Times, the Telegraph, the S*n, the Daily Express, the Daily Mail. This shows an obvious bias. A comment that it isn’t that bad only requires a quick google search UK has the most right wing media in Europe.

    So why is this?
    Welp, the conservatives aim at conserving wealth while Labour will aim to redistribute the wealth to the lower working class. The people in power of the newspapers are wealthy, and not looking for people to redistribute their wealth. So they utilise their power and reach impact elections.

    What does this mean?
    Well, as seen by current media outburst that Labour is antisemetic. I can neither agree or disagree with this as I have not kept on top of this. However, what I would comment is even if they are, surely a homophobic, lying, woman beating twat. None of those are undeniable as he: called gay men “bum boys”; sacked for lying by his newspaper; 999 call from his wife; and twat because he’s an etonian with no knowledge of how life works at the day to day level. Not even commenting on the Islamaphobia, Gulag comments, and the fact his policies are nothing other than Brexit done.
    Another comment is that Labour has no position on Brexit, where in all truth, they are neutral. The plan from Labour is to go to the EU and get the best deal they can, then give the public the last say. But still he’s being hounding for lacking a position. Simultaneously Boris is trying to get his deal through which a quote from a think tank brought together to suggest Brexit is a good idea, “will harm the economy in EVERY possible scenario.
    No media is commenting on how they have cut more and more public services by creating austerity, dementia tax, and brexit. The tory spindoctors have come up with a tactic to fight fire with a bigger fire in a different place. The things they have done to take the media off of the PM is remarkable. Grenfell victims, Benefit street cast should be put down, fact check uk and many many many many many more.

    Where else does it impact?
    Labour vs Conservative campaign money difference is utterly disgusting. For donations, Tories received near to £12M while Labour has recouped a measly in comparison £4-5M.



    I believe personally that the biggest disgrace of modern society is that the average person has been convinced by the 1% that the minimum wage workers are the problem.
    Spot on.

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